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WW 36 - Horrors in Kingsport [Game Thread]

Tally as of post 689:

1 votes: Brick (Gazglum)
1 votes: Lewwyn (novice)
1 votes: novice (Lewwyn)

Voting history:
Gazglum Wrote: Brick
novice Wrote: Lewwyn
Lewwyn Wrote: Novice
Lewwyn Wrote: novice
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Oh wait, never mind. I'm trying to see the benefit of you revealing after all and I guess it is better if you don't. It's not like you can see who visited whom. So yeah, never mind
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(February 22nd, 2015, 14:14)Jabbz Wrote: As to my scum reads, I still think the Doc is questionable, if I survive the day I'll tell you why tonight, but it has to do with zak.

Saw this inreview, since you didnt in the night can you expound on this jabbz
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I'm only halfway through the dya on my re-read, and honestly I don't know if I'll finish. I'm behind on school work thanks to pouring over this game over the weekend instead of watching lectures or doing group work. And here I am digging into it again, but I gotta sign off.

Still, I think this was a good point by novice. It's a good point whether or not he's scum, actually:

(February 20th, 2015, 15:40)novice Wrote: Rereading again, Matt was in pretty serious trouble all day really.
Qgqqqqq

I think we need to throw out any points we've given people for voting Mattimeo. Mattimeo of all people would tell his teammates to bus him; IIRC as scum in past games he's told people not to save him before. And Mattimeo was catching heat most of the day. Why not just play it safe as scum and vote for him?

So I want to vote for either Sunrise, Brick or AdrienIer now. I agree with the three amigos: Lewwyn, Gaspar, and Novice. One of you probably is scum. I'm just too chicken to pick. I gotta say I think Lewwyn gets the most town points because of his Day 2. But whatever, I'm chicken.

AdrienIer, how did you get from

(February 20th, 2015, 16:32)AdrienIer Wrote: My guess is that following that Saul post (not that I have an opinion on Saul right now, not anymore anyway) one or two scum decided to take a chance and jump in on Zak, but bad luck/timing made other people jump in at the same time and the wagon looked unnatural. The only one I kind of like is Lewwyn, he arrived super late and decided on almost no info that Zak was scummier than Matt, even going as far as stating that he had "town lean on Matt". That could be some weird WIFOM but it looks genuine. Out of the four other members of the original Zak wagon, there's a convenient wagon on Qgqqqqq that I'm happy to join.


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(February 23rd, 2015, 10:54)AdrienIer Wrote: Reread Q and Novice for now. I don't see what others seem to see in the Q case (at least I don't see a compelling case, just a few indirect arguments and they're not enough). I get some town vibes and some (small) scum vibes, so I wont be voting for him right away.
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Feeling a little lost still for the moment, so I went back and looked at the final vote tallies for each day, and identified who we know for sure was voting for who. Then I got a bit of a spark and also grabbed a tally of what the situation was an hour before.

Day 1:

Tally as of post 276:

8 votes: Mattimeo (sunrise089, Rowain, Gazglum, AdrienIer, Gaspar, dtay, Fenn, Jabbz)
1 votes: zakalwe (Doctor Saul)
1 votes: Fenn (zakalwe)
1 votes: AdrienIer (novice)
1 votes: Doctor Saul (Lewwyn)
1 votes: AdreinIer (Qgqqqqq)
1 votes: Gaspar (BRickAstley)
1 votes: sunrise (Mattimeo)

Tally as of post 327:

10 votes: Mattimeo (sunrise089, Rowain, Gazglum, AdrienIer, Gaspar, dtay, Jabbz, novice, zakalwe, BRickAstley)
5 votes: zakalwe (Doctor Saul, Mattimeo, Qgqqqqq, Fenn, Lewwyn)

Day 2:

Tally as of post 556:

4 votes: Fenn (Qgqqqqq, dtay, Rowain, AdrienIer)
4 votes: Jabbz (Lewwyn, Fenn, Gaspar, Doctor Saul)
3(4/) votes: Qgqqqqq (BRickAstley, novice) (sunrise089) (Gaz?)

Tally as of post 614:

6 votes: Fenn (Qgqqqqq, dtay, Rowain, AdrienIer, Gazglum, Lewwyn)
3 votes: Qgqqqqq (BRickAstley, novice)(sunrise089)
2 votes: novice (Doctor Saul, Fenn)
1 votes: Jabbz (Gaspar)
1 votes: dtay (Jabbz)

Notble thoughts:

Lewwyn switches in the last hour onto a known villager both times, once of which at least is against confirmed scum. Both of those votes have been explained, one as not liking matt as a lynch (and agreeing with sauldicator) and another as not liking fenn claiming riiight before lynch. However I just noticed, Day 1 Lewwyn at t-6min said 'explain last 2 pages in 3 minutes plz', and at t-3min quoted a long pindisaul post from 100 posts ago about wanting to vote zakalwe and went ahead and made that last minute switch. He's already explained the thought process which makes sense but that timing and seemingly super quick turnaround from uninformed to finding and processing saul's post seems odd to me. (or maybe he's just really really quick at reading)

Jabbz got vacated prety quick day 2 for...... what again? I can't find him claiming or doing much else becuase quick angry 'when i die....' posts and people saying 'surely scum won't let two people die easily two days in a row'

novice seems to have stayed on his suspects each day long, not being as talkative as I'd think village novice would be. though him and Lewwyn are on each other so that's either a scum ploy or someone just a village not acting 'well' enough as i'd expect. :P

AdrienIer put Fenn tied up there on the block, and has kinda been active without being active in his last few posts besides that if that makes sense. Seems to have mostly been meta stuff and some more slapfighting with novice. And his main reason for voting Fenn and tying him up with 90ish min to go is because he's not posting a ton and said he didn't feel decisive enough? The first part is funny cause Ad's game has felt similarly sparse (He's actually the sparsest poster except for Mattimeo and Sunrise!) And there's a big difference between how decisive you feel after 5/6 days of a info reveal heavy game vs. 2 days of this one.

I'd say AdrienIer for now, mainly because if Lewwyn/novice continue to fight with each other that should be enough to get better reads on each of them.

Ninja edit; heyoo doctorcator, that's also a good point on Adrien I think. And yeah also since the votes were 8 to 1 to 1 to 1 etc with an hour to go, probably isnt too likely that the last blitz was a coordinated plan or something,
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(February 23rd, 2015, 22:11)BRickAstley Wrote: Lewwyn switches in the last hour onto a known villager both times, once of which at least is against confirmed scum. Both of those votes have been explained, one as not liking matt as a lynch (and agreeing with sauldicator) and another as not liking fenn claiming riiight before lynch. However I just noticed, Day 1 Lewwyn at t-6min said 'explain last 2 pages in 3 minutes plz', and at t-3min quoted a long pindisaul post from 100 posts ago about wanting to vote zakalwe and went ahead and made that last minute switch. He's already explained the thought process which makes sense but that timing and seemingly super quick turnaround from uninformed to finding and processing saul's post seems odd to me. (or maybe he's just really really quick at reading)

A) I do read quickly
B) I posted that while I was skimming through all the posts I missed, locked in on the Big saul post that had red Zak letters read that and said, "that sounded reasonable".
C) I've been switching at deadlines because I've been around at the deadline and I get jumpy when I'm unsure. I'm trying really hard, I'm super out of practice being a villager. First time in ages. That said, I'm more sure of novice now than I have been the entire game on anybody else. Hello, Day 3.
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Tally as of post 696:

2 votes: AdrienIer (Doctor Saul, BRickAstley)
1 votes: Brick (Gazglum)
1 votes: Lewwyn (novice)
1 votes: novice (Lewwyn)

Voting history:
Gazglum Wrote: Brick
novice Wrote: Lewwyn
Lewwyn Wrote: Novice
Lewwyn Wrote: novice
Doctor Saul Wrote: AdrienIer
BRickAstley Wrote: AdrienIer
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(February 23rd, 2015, 19:22)novice Wrote:
(February 23rd, 2015, 19:12)Qgqqqqq Wrote:
(February 23rd, 2015, 19:08)Jabbz Wrote: Why couldn't you be scum with the role? Did I miss something?

Just reiterating I find it fishy, mostly because of your "cop" work last game tongue

I have the same role as Mattimeo. I was working under the premise that scum roles aren't duplicated, which seems like it would be the case, especially with Commodore using relatively non-standard roles like bodyguard, I don't see him doubling up within the same team like that.

Why not? From the first post:
Quote:-Roles might be repeated; don't expect you are the only ___ (Role of Roleness).
-Alignment and roles are separated, so scum might have a more village role and vice versa.

Gazglum, is your role name Bodyguard?

(February 23rd, 2015, 19:28)Jabbz Wrote: Thank you for saving me the effort Novice. It seems to me Qg should have checked before he posted. I'm fairly certain that's not the first time that has happened this game.

What are you even...

Yeah, sure. Roles can be repeated. This isn't relevant though. The scum team is 3-4 players based on any realistic estimations. Do you really think Commodore - a very creative person - would have half or over half of the scum team sharing the same role??? That's just shitty and uninteresting game design - especially in one this small.

Jabbzs response here - while bullheaded - is in character. Novices' is not. novice Why are you being so inactive and passive about lynching me when you're this certain on me being lynched? These passive aggressive comments are picking at anything you could possibly use to scumfirm me. That's not how town novice plays.
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Really, Q? Seems more like you're digging for an original reason to join my train. I wasn't being passive aggressive, I was simply debunking your premise for metaclearing yourself. It was an honest "why not".

If Commodore is assigning roles and alignment separately, why couldn't two scum have the same role? Doesn't that rule explicitly state that he didn't "design" a role composition for each faction? I think throwing a spanner in meta lynches was the point behind that rule.
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(February 23rd, 2015, 20:43)Lewwyn Wrote:
(February 23rd, 2015, 20:21)novice Wrote:
(February 23rd, 2015, 19:54)Lewwyn Wrote: I was working hard yesterday to create discussion. Any discussion. If you felt SO strongly about Qg, why weren't you pushing? You were obviously not working hard at all. Only after the lynch happens do you jump out of the shadows to point the finger.

That is patently untrue, also already asked and answered.

I just went back and read the second half of the day again. Yes you posted a few times but the majority of the posts are very passive in tone. You answer questions and when someone asks "who would you lynch" you say "I think we should lynch Qg." That's it. That's not a push. And thats what I'm talking about. You weren't actively pushing from what I can see. If you felt like you were being attacked for tunneling, I don't think the response is to say nothing. Instead you sat back and let the village cannibalize.

Tonally passive, but answering questions and posting things like "There's 47 minutes to deadline." To me that's scum novice. You could have said, "47 minutes we need to consolidate on Qg." or anything else in those 47 minutes to try and sway people.

For the last time, I posted whenever I could, oneliners whenthat was what I had time for. WHEN I don"4 havetime for a sshouting match I think arguing a case on its merits makes sense. I was returning from vacation on sunday.

The tunneling attack came after the Fenn lynch IIRC. At any rate I was aware it would be coming - but I didn't have time to post more before after the lynch.
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