Last post before a busy work day. How is this not me pushing Q?
(February 21st, 2015, 20:14)novice Wrote: I still think Q is the best lynch. Ultimately, he charged in to defend Mattimeo, without being fully caught up. He had no reason based in reality for pushing Zak. The most likely explanation is that he jumped into action to save a scumbuddy, and chose Zak because he had registered other people suspecting Zak. He fails to get his facts straight about why Zak is suspicious. A town player would have no reason to push Zak like this in similar circumstances. If you're not properly caught up, why would you feel that Mattimeo is worth saving?
Q is a formidable scum player who doesn't hesitate to tackle bad odds. He can talk his way out of anything and he knows it. So he would try to save mattimeo, and hope to talk himself out of trouble if the attempt failed. Don't let him.
Also trying to sort out how to think abotu the matt stuff. The planned from the beginning bus job doesn't make sense to me, it seem unnecessary on day 1 when you could probably get a free town lynch and then just do a deliberate bus d2. More likely in my mind is that matt got some heat and then the scum decided on a bus later in the day. So I think we can possibly give town points to votes that actually put Matt on the block, but not anything after that. Offhand I don't remember who that would have been.
Unclear in my mind if the zak shift was an aborted attempt to save in this world or just villagers being silly. Well, it atleast involves SOME villagers being silly.
I had a post that appears to have just totally dissapeared.
Shorter version
1) Looking at lew/novice history atm
2) Thinking about possibel Matt bus - this seems unlikely to have been planned from the get go, just unnecessarily costly compared to d2 bus. A bus that starts as/after Matt is on the block as a plausible lynch seems more likely to me. Not sure offhand who voted to get Matt on the block as opposed to voted once he was already there.
(February 23rd, 2015, 19:10)Qgqqqqq Wrote: I don't really like Gazglum trying to champion Rowain (especially) and even using this:
Quote:I don't think the nightkills have been particularly favourable to Scum Q, but he could be under the thumb of an Alpha Horror.
If this is the case, who am I scum with? And do you not accept me being scum absent another 'superwolf' on the team?
It's a fool's errand trying to pinpoint scum pairs at this stage in the game, I don't know who you would be scum with. I think you could certainly be a wolf without one of the others, but that the kills are potentially less beneficial to you than to other possible wold candidates. I was suggesting a point in your favour.
Isn't this exactly what you said yourself, Q?
(February 20th, 2015, 18:02)Qgqqqqq Wrote: If I'm scum, then killing Zak to get him out of my hair is not a good tactic. Zak was the alternative lynch, and nowhere near so towny as to be impossible to scumcast on. Thus, killing him loses a defense for scum me (as well as others who pushed Zak, btw) - that he and matt were both scum - and strengthens the case against Zak votes, increasing their prominence today.
Thus, scum me wanting to kill him to further my own defense is simply inane.
(Which is not to say that scum me wouldn't do it - he was quite towny, and he's zakalwe so he's already a strong candidate absent roles. It's perfectly possible that my scum faction decided to take this chance despite the harm it would do to my defense, but it's certainly no motivation for scum wanti my to protect me.)
As for championing Rowain, I just think its worth reminding ourselves what people say before they die. Especially as Novice hadn't responded to the question.
(February 23rd, 2015, 19:22)novice Wrote: Gazglum, is your role name Bodyguard?
My role is Fat Man (bodyguard)! I am so fat that I can completely block the doorway of someone else's house at night, so that the Horrors kill me instead. It has been a true mark of the friendship I feel with you all that nobody has commented on my sudden weight gain.
(February 21st, 2015, 20:14)novice Wrote: I still think Q is the best lynch. Ultimately, he charged in to defend Mattimeo, without being fully caught up. He had no reason based in reality for pushing Zak. The most likely explanation is that he jumped into action to save a scumbuddy, and chose Zak because he had registered other people suspecting Zak. He fails to get his facts straight about why Zak is suspicious. A town player would have no reason to push Zak like this in similar circumstances. If you're not properly caught up, why would you feel that Mattimeo is worth saving?
Novice, has your opinion of Q shifted at all since posting this? What do you think about his Day 2 and 3 posts?
(February 23rd, 2015, 21:56)Doctor Saul Wrote: So I want to vote for either Sunrise, Brick or AdrienIer now. I agree with the three amigos: Lewwyn, Gaspar, and Novice. One of you probably is scum. I'm just too chicken to pick. I gotta say I think Lewwyn gets the most town points because of his Day 2. But whatever, I'm chicken.
AdrienIer, how did you get from
(February 20th, 2015, 16:32)AdrienIer Wrote: My guess is that following that Saul post (not that I have an opinion on Saul right now, not anymore anyway) one or two scum decided to take a chance and jump in on Zak, but bad luck/timing made other people jump in at the same time and the wagon looked unnatural. The only one I kind of like is Lewwyn, he arrived super late and decided on almost no info that Zak was scummier than Matt, even going as far as stating that he had "town lean on Matt". That could be some weird WIFOM but it looks genuine. Out of the four other members of the original Zak wagon, there's a convenient wagon on Qgqqqqq that I'm happy to join.
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(February 23rd, 2015, 10:54)AdrienIer Wrote: Reread Q and Novice for now. I don't see what others seem to see in the Q case (at least I don't see a compelling case, just a few indirect arguments and they're not enough). I get some town vibes and some (small) scum vibes, so I wont be voting for him right away.
As each day passes you want your cases to have more content, at the beginning of D2 I was content to vote for Q but after rereading him there are enough good things to be said about him that I hadn't noticed before or that happened after the first post (like Q doing a relatively good D2). That's what I mean by "some town vibes and some (small) scum vibes".
(February 23rd, 2015, 22:11)BRickAstley Wrote: AdrienIer put Fenn tied up there on the block, and has kinda been active without being active in his last few posts besides that if that makes sense. Seems to have mostly been meta stuff and some more slapfighting with novice. And his main reason for voting Fenn and tying him up with 90ish min to go is because he's not posting a ton and said he didn't feel decisive enough? The first part is funny cause Ad's game has felt similarly sparse (He's actually the sparsest poster except for Mattimeo and Sunrise!) And there's a big difference between how decisive you feel after 5/6 days of a info reveal heavy game vs. 2 days of this one.
I'd say AdrienIer for now, mainly because if Lewwyn/novice continue to fight with each other that should be enough to get better reads on each of them.
Ninja edit; heyoo doctorcator, that's also a good point on Adrien I think. And yeah also since the votes were 8 to 1 to 1 to 1 etc with an hour to go, probably isnt too likely that the last blitz was a coordinated plan or something,
I have noticed the irony of attacking Fenn on inactivity when I haven't participated much, I'm on a much needed one week break right now and I've spent my last days doing absolutely nothing, being completely passive in everything, including WW. I thought I had a good reason for attacking Fenn, I stand by the fact that he had low content in his posts until he was pressured, and the other cases hadn't convinced me. I'll repeat myself here saying that Q did a reasonably good D2, also Jabbz is still in the same mood as last game, at the same time angry and disheartened, which seems like a continuation of town-Jabbz. In the end I was tempted to go after Novice but I dislike last minute wagons on principle.
(February 23rd, 2015, 21:56)Doctor Saul Wrote: So I want to vote for either Sunrise, Brick or AdrienIer now. I agree with the three amigos: Lewwyn, Gaspar, and Novice. One of you probably is scum. I'm just too chicken to pick. I gotta say I think Lewwyn gets the most town points because of his Day 2. But whatever, I'm chicken.
Buck, buck, bucaw!
So if we're throwing out town points for voting Mattimeo, why not Jabbz? Day 2 you said you suspected Jabbz:
(February 21st, 2015, 14:56)Doctor Saul Wrote: Jabbz is being very aggressive day 1 and disappearing day 2 is looking bad to me. I don't like how inconsistent he his in how I'm the most scummy, up until the point where it's okay to lynch Mattimeo for policy reasons. I also don't like how when he was pushing me it was like I was scummy no matter what I said, like the bar was always being moved on what was scummy and what was not.
Still, I just can't help but think I've seen this kind of "easy" case before, and one of the reasons I am doubting him as scum is thinking maybe he's just an aggressive / overly eager new player who just doesn't explain his thought process well. But that is starting to look less true now that he's disappeared. It's seeming more like a demotivated scum that had his buddy lynched day 1 and is now on the block himself.
Jabbz jumped on Mattimeo later than Adrien or Sunrise did. Why forget about him?
Why not vote me, for that matter, if we're going back to Mattimeo voters?
If Zak was clearly a wolf for tunelling on you Day 1, is Novice clearly a wolf for doing it Day 2? Why pull him back to 'equal scummy' after voting him yesterday? It doesn't seem to me like he has dosed himself with Townie points since then.
Your scumdar has been fluctuating like a broken Geiger counter this game, Saul.
