WW 36 - Horrors in Kingsport [Game Thread]

[AdrienIer]

Sunrise reread done and analyzed :

I don't like his D1 actually. This could definitely be a scum staying on scum for the day hoping to get off him before deadline, then when he realizes he's become part of a wagon decides to wait and see, then understands he's not going to save his buddy so stays where he is.

Overall only post 533 517 284 174 and the beginning's Matt vs Dtay controversy (posts 80 and 84) have content in them, plus 2 or 3 1-liners. Add to that 3 or 4 defensive posts and you have all the Sunrise contributions. I'm feeling very uncomfortable attacking people on lack of content but apparently no one else does this so I'll have to : this is not enough I think, even if he's short on time.

[Doctor Saul]

I think your Adrien case is weak sauce.

I'm not 100% on it either, but I think he's worth examining. And I'm not crazy about the answer he just gave to Brick.

What I do think is that we shouldn't be so quick to give out town points for votes against Mattimeo that look good in hindsight. I don't think it was an active bus job, but I know Mattimeo as scum had told not to try to save him in a previous game.

I don't think the self vote was scummy. It read like someone having fun with the game, if anything it reads more town to me.

IDK if I already changed my vote, but I'm on Mattimeo now. Not enough posting plus not so great content in both posts.

Putting Matt to 5 votes, compared to I think 4 on you. That was a key moment in getting a Mattimeo lynch off the ground, plus Adrien did it best to swing it further by emphasising he thought you were innocent. So the only way I can see Adrien being plausibly scum is if you are too, and he was choosing between two friends.

See my reasoning above as to why I disagree with you here. Coincidentally voting Mattimeo was also one of the main town points I have for Gaspar but I haven't seen a lot from him that I like outside of that.

It reminds me of your Fenn case, Saul. Vehement finger pointing at an easy target for relatively small slip-ups. Do you really think Adrien is the scummiest target today?

And when Fenn posted more I dropped the case because he was posting much better day 2.

Are you basing the stuff about Adrien trying to distance himself from the Q-case on Q being scum, or Q being town?

Trying to not go down that rabbit hole right now. Both seem like possible outcomes but my questioning is independent of Q's alignment. What I want to see is AdrienIer do more than coast by

You are right about one thing though - Adrien should be more active.

At least we agree on this

[novice]

This is the curse of day 1. Every time someone agrees with you, you instantly start questioning their motives.

I totally agree.

Me too.

So Gazglum, where did you go tonight? Q, what about you?

I bodyguarded Gaspar, who has promised us a tour-de-force performance today.

Gazglum, shouldn't you have breadcrumbed who you protected (or did you?). If you had turned up dead it would have been useful for town to know that Gaspar was the one who was attacked.

[Gazglum]

Gazglum, shouldn't you have breadcrumbed who you protected (or did you?). If you had turned up dead it would have been useful for town to know that Gaspar was the one who was attacked.

Considered that, but scum could just target me directly and then you have a potentially false positive on someone that a scum could coast on for a long time.

[novice]

I still think Q is the best lynch. Ultimately, he charged in to defend Mattimeo, without being fully caught up. He had no reason based in reality for pushing Zak. The most likely explanation is that he jumped into action to save a scumbuddy, and chose Zak because he had registered other people suspecting Zak. He fails to get his facts straight about why Zak is suspicious. A town player would have no reason to push Zak like this in similar circumstances. If you're not properly caught up, why would you feel that Mattimeo is worth saving?

Novice, has your opinion of Q shifted at all since posting this? What do you think about his Day 2 and 3 posts?

My assessment of his day 1 is unchanged. His day 2 started with the terrible post 423, after that I guess he didn't incriminate himself much further, if I make an effort to strip away confirmation bias.

Thinking of Q's day 2 reminded me of his claim, though.

Mattimeo was lynched. He was a horror.
Alignment PM:

Horror-You are a monstrous horror, absolutely dedicated along with
your fellows to awakening the Great One Who Lurks Beyond The
Threshold. To the blind and grasping citizens of this town, you appear
human and whole in the light of day. In the dark of night, your
howling coven can slay one of the citizens as a gift to Who Lurks
Beyond. You win when you kill all the citizens or you and your fellow
horrors equal them in number. And by win, we mean you can at last
leave this weak and cringing human mask behind and blossom into your
true hideous form as you exult in orgiastic terror seeing Who Lurks
Beyond burst through into this world and consumes it in glorious
annihilation.

You make speak with your fellow horrors day and night in the following QT:

Role PM:

Knower of Own Boots (imprecise reporter)- You may target someone at night and creep around
their house examining the ground. If someone other than you has
visited them or they have gone out this night or the night prior, you can tell. You only
know your own footprints though so you have no idea who did what, just how many.

I'm something called "knower of boots" or something similar. Basically I see if anyone save myself has visited a player that night, though I don't learn their identities. It might involve the previous night as well, I need to check that, but irrelevant night 1. I checked Saul because I thought he might be visited by a village pr and I'd be good to confirm. No one visited him save me.

Interesting, Mattimeo was a Knower of Own Boots. You're saying that you're that same role?

So you claim similar power to Mattimeo?

Q, so you're claiming the same power as Mattimeo?

Oh, I see. Mattimeo was 'knower of own boots' and could only see if someone else had visited. You can see if anybody visited.

Fenns apparent tole seems a lot in line with what I've seen.

I feel like there are more roles than I was expecting...

Ah, it is Knower of Own Boots. And I do see if anyone has visited this night or the previous. I felt like there was a difference to Matt's role, but doesn't seem to be.

Shouldn't Q have noticed as soon as Mattimeo flipped that he had the exact same role as himself? He must have read up on how his own role worked, after all he submitted a night action to visit Saul. TBH I'm not sure if this is a scum tell but it is very odd.

[Lewwyn]

Rereading Sunrise now, shouldn't take long

[Gazglum]

That said, I'm more sure of novice now than I have been the entire game on anybody else. Hello, Day 3.

I'm sorry novice. You were right.

Jabbzs response here - while bullheaded - is in character. Novices' is not. novice Why are you being so inactive and passive about lynching me when you're this certain on me being lynched? These passive aggressive comments are picking at anything you could possibly use to scumfirm me. That's not how town novice plays.

Holy Crap Qg. What did you do copy and paste my argument and then change a few words like a cheating college student? I'm a teacher I can smell lazy plagiarism.

Qgqqqqq

What's happenin' bro?

Is Novice back in the town basket? Is that Q post enough to over-ride you being more certain on Novice than anything else in the game? Can you go through your thought processes a little more here?

[dtay]

Gonna join up more tonight, I have lots of tuesday class

Short thoughts

Gaz is seeming very towny to me

Qqqqqq's role mixup is weird, need to reread

Agree with recent gaz post that lew's turnaround on novice is strange and needs explaining

[Lewwyn]

Is Novice back in the town basket? Is that Q post enough to over-ride you being more certain on Novice than anything else in the game? Can you go through your thought processes a little more here?

I haven't interacted with Qg all game. I get better reads when someone is responding to me or what I've done in some way. That post though is basically my words coming out of his mouth. I went back and looked from that perspective and realized I hadn't really read Qg in that light. Qg really feels pretty scummy throughout. Day 1 novice doesn't feel too scummy and Day 3 novice doesn't feel to scummy. Day 2 novice does still feel scummy and I don't like that night post. But honestly Day 2 was a really lazy day and too many people weren't talking, it wasn't just novice.

But that Qg post just crystallized it for me.

[Doctor Saul]

I had a post that appears to have just totally dissapeared.

Shorter version

1) Looking at lew/novice history atm

2) Thinking about possibel Matt bus - this seems unlikely to have been planned from the get go, just unnecessarily costly compared to d2 bus. A bus that starts as/after Matt is on the block as a plausible lynch seems more likely to me. Not sure offhand who voted to get Matt on the block as opposed to voted once he was already there.

I'm also liking day 3 novice more, and Q less.

Good start Adrien! Keep em coming. Do you think sunrise is being lazy or do you think he's scum hiding? That's what I meant by taking ownership: take a stand

Qgqqqqq after reading novice and Lewwyn today