WW 36 - Horrors in Kingsport [Game Thread]

[AdrienIer]

Making Zak rise from the dead to help us with our hunting :

The most obvious scum suspect in all of this is Lewwyn, IMO. Pretty sure that he is scum once again, looking back on this day.

Elaborate.

You followed me on Saul, said Mattimeo was innocent for saying "eh", and then took an opportunistic shot at me at the end. That's what I remember off the top of my head.

That's pretty much what happened, except I wouldn't go as far as calling Lewwyn's Zak vote opportunistic.

That's what I remember off the top of my head.

When you actually check my posts I think you'll see it a bit differently.

I reread them now and they do leave some reasonable doubt. My main question is why Saul's one post on Zak was enough to sway you onto Zak. You didn't seem to suspect him earlier, and you did suspect Saul.

Looking more closely at the Zak assassination attempt and how the votes were placed it's a bit doubtful that scum could ever think it would succeed. So it's also possible it's just villagers messing about.

Did you see what time I arrived home? There were eight minutes left. At that point I skimmed a bit read a bit of Saul's post and also saw Matt and Zak on the block. Zak was at 5 I think and Matt at like 7, but when I posted was at 8, and Zak hadn't changed his vote yet. I decided I would vote for Zak (I really didn't expect him to get lynched) and even it up. I thought we had two villagers on the block.

I mean honestly if I were scum and I knew Matt was scum and I knew that he was about to be lynched and it was obvious that Matt was going to be lynched... actually I'm not sure what I would've done as scum. Probably I would have waited until after the deadline and kept my vote on Saul and not poked my head in.

Agreed about the 8mn left before vote part, but the rest annoys me. If you think both options are villagers you can vote for someone else, but here the superior option was going for the policy lynch because if a villager is going to die it might as well serve as a lesson for future games.
Then comes a lot of WIFOM I won't comment.

Then guess who started the Fenn wagon ?

He did have some amount of towncred from the D1 lynch situation, so I suppose he'd be as good a target as any. Good on you for giving detailed reads last night, zak.

Guess you weren't too surprised he was dead. Feels scummy Fenn. Probably shouldn't have gone with that prepackaged death response.

GL Brick.

I actually don't at all trust Lewwyn's starter-zak kit routine this game, generally how I've felt when he's rolled scum, last time I just fell for buddying. At least he's talking though. On the other hand, I wonder what dtay thinks?

Actually I'm pretty sure you're scum since Zak was killed Day 1. Rule one of the Gaspar scum rulebook, kill Zak. That coupled with you not voting for Zak when it was between him and Matt tells me that you're also likely scum. Stay on Matt because Zak isn't getting lynched anyway and you can get more bussing cred. Village Gaspar would have thrown a vote on Zak for the same reasons I did. Zak is inherently suspicioius and it's fun to vote for Zak and make him sweat.

So yeah I'm sorry you had to roll scum again in your first game back in a while Gaspar.

Anyone else want to chime in on my thoughts of Gaspar?

Random attack on Gaspar for meta reasons, I'd call it a joke post but the last line means it's not.

Good points for trying to wake up town in a dreadful D2, his attack on Jabbz is good, but then (even though the case he put up is pretty convincing there, and Jabbz is definitely on my watchlist) he backpedals to the most indecisive attack ever.

novice then?

Followed by

Fenn

With pretty much no explanation.

So summing it up, even though he made some good points at the beginning of D2 I'm going to vote for him for the moment. Note that he started his "wake up town" posts when Jabbz and Q were the main candidates for lynch, both are on most people's scum leans. Lewwyn

[Gazglum]

I liked Dtay's analysis of Lewwyn/Novice/Q, and I think Adrien is town. So I'm willing to test drive Lewwyn.

Lewwyn, if Q flipped town, who would your suspects be then?

[dtay]

Flaw with above, totally reverses reasoning, oops - Lew was the first onto Qqqqqq today, he wouldn't switch under the logic of "qqqqqq death is ineivtable", nd the logic of "get novice to blow cred with qqqqqq lynch" doesn't work b/c novice was on Lew at the time. That entirely breaks the pairing logic, Lew could be switching onto safe-at-the-time scum Qqqqq just to ge tnovice off him as scum lew, or switching onto town qqqqqqq for same reason.

So still wanting contribution from sunrise, and now more confident in assessment I think Qqqqqq is an unfortunately scummy seeming town. Scum just wouldn't let this happen. Qqqqqq sat on 3 votes for forever with no movement to get anyone else up there, then just kept climbing and climbing. Not even a Lew scum could logically vote for Qqqqqq despite being the first vote in my mind. Sure he wouldn't be able to back out given how he got on (totally switching fight with novice as if radically convinced), but I think lew would see how he had locked himself in, whcih combined with how close qqqqqq was to getting lynched anyway isn't somethign scum would do.

Cross post with something i saw in refresh on other tab.

[Qgqqqqq]

Meh, I decided on a dime to make a post here. I'm not quoting anything because like half the thread is on me and I don't care at all about this game to put in that sort of effort.

Firstly though, do people really think I'm scum? I mean yes, I have been inordinately busy, which Gazglum and to a lessor extent Brick know about a bit more than the rest of you, but even so...have I ever given up as scum? I'm pretty sure the answer is no, because I never stop caring as scum. Scum is, for me, 100x more fun than town. There's so many things to handle, so many things to set up and manage. You can really leave a legacy as scum (not that I've been lynched as scum in ages), and I love it - it's what I play mafia for. As town...meh. I help out, but I'll never be a great town player, and being lynched isn't something that inherently validates your reads. So ponder that.

Gaspar and Lewwyn seem to think I "stole" their reads or something. Maybe brick too, idk. I'm pretty sure I lead the "novice is tunneling suspiciously" end of day 2 - my novice suspicion is nothing new, and the reasoning behind it, the scumfirming, the tunneling and the passive tone, has not changed. I'll admit that the case was articulated well, but the same was true for Dtay earlier with Fenn, and so on. Other people have similar reads.

I don't know why people keep on thinking I'm angry. I'm really not - at most I'm frustrated. And that was mostly at Jabbz, for what I saw as town parroting a stupid post by scum. I wasn't even going to respond to that by novice until it came up.

Moreover...that wasn't a crack in my defense or anything. That was me just defining the playing field to make jt easier. Let's suppose that I, as scum, have that role for a moment. A) Why would I claim it? Why not just claim something else - flavor isn't hard to invent, and I've designed a number of games before. B) Why does it matter? Again, the same reasoning I mentioned earlier - scum me just being able to claim, say, Jabbz had *someone* visit them, and even claiming its scum at the close. That wasn't a hole in my argument - which was a explanation of why I wasn't claiming results, btw, not me attempting to meta myself town or anything.

That's why I found novices post so inane and ridiculous. That wasn't a hole in my argument, he was going the equivalent of "hurr hurr, you excluded this so clearly you have no defense against it, hurr hurr".

(All that's not about the commodore setup stuff, btw, its about the question of result claiming which novice and Jabbz responded to.)

Now the Commodore stuff. No, I didn't read the first post. I think it was even quoted, and I must've skimmed it. So...what's your point? That isnt something I do as scum or town. I ignored/skimmed I a) because I wasn't playing when I read that post and b) because unless I have literally nothing else going on - which happens, admittedly - I barely read or skim the first post. In that offsite game that Bob linked, for example, it had elaborate setup and style (Batmafia) but I was getting simple things like town role names and how mechanics work wrong in day 3 (in a game with days a week long). I simply don't care much about roles or meta - they're for me, an afterthought for the game (see, for example, my disastrous start to the previous game, in a start dominated by meta - I'm like an anti-Mattimeo, heh.). So my lack of reading up on things isn't a tell one way or another, especially not in a game where I've had consistently low time and a predilection for less commitment.

And again, whether or not there could be more of one role on the same scum team is irrelevant, but I think I've covered that already.

(Oh, btw I'll claim in the morning, if I wake up before the block.)

So reads. Yeah, they haven't changed much, Glum, although Gaspar does move down a touch, I think his is the more genuine of the Lewwyn/him brigade (Lewwyn definitely on the scumspecrs now). Oh and I think I have, if briefly hit on novice. But lets examine specific points (again not qhoting). He's certain on me, yet his idea of pushing is far more passive aggressive than anyone save his aunt would expect., despite being around. Today he pushes for my results and doesn't even consider that there are valid reasons for me not giving them - see Saul as an example for how to handle that. Instead, he picks on a tiny point in it as an example of the whole thing falling down, and calls me explaining a roles issue (why I'm not claiming, and how its a good tactic as town) an attempt to clear myself by meta. When asked to expound on how a town me changes things, he half asses it, and more importantly had never engaged with it before. Novice, here, has not got me down as a suspect to be pushed and prodded. He's not got me down as a scum he wants to champion, or someone he could possibly re-evaluate, especially in light of Fenn or Rowain flipping. No. Novice is being passive here. He doesn't care what info I give, because he knows I'm town. He doesn't care if others think I'm town, it'll just mean he can have me as his go to suspect for longer. He doesn't care if I'm town or not, because he doesn't need to.

He doesn't care.

Why doesn't he care? By all accounts, and as evidenced by the thread, he's got the time. So why not? Unless he's scum, and a bit off/depressed about doing it again, but just going through the motions. Novice, do you have any answer for this that you can give besides denying the problem? Because by all accounts, there is a problem.

Sunrise is an okay lynch. Bit suspicious, been doing some vaguely scummy stuff, but all around meh. Heck, lynch me before him, in all honesty I'm the better information lynch, and it'll either galvanize our reclusive Norwegian into actually doing something rather that taking the easy road, or you'll realise just how stupid this all has been. But novice...novice has been being suspicious for a while, and you all know it. Why is Sunrise the one being touted (again, neither know or care about the exact vote count, this is just what I've noticed) the second the novice voters jump on me? Why?

Why don't you make it a 1v1 of the two of us. A Sunrise lynch is stupid, and resolves nothing. Tbh, a lynch of me is stupid as well, but at least it'll make it clear that you should hound novice. A novice lynch is obviously the best of all - and just tell me tbst you'd learn more from me flipping town than him. Go on, do it, I could do with a laugh.

Regardless, meh I don't care what you do much. If I live I'll keep posting what I can. And fuck you all if you complain about that, or about me stupidly getting myself lynched for not contributing. Especially you Gazglum. I told you going in, that I wouldn't have time and that there was a reason I never joined. Every time I've done posts here for the last few days I've directly delayed my sleep time by an hour, when I'm already sleeping very short nights (tonight being no exception), for a game I didn't sign up for, don't care about at all, and in something I already expect will be my biggest regret of this week. So if you dare complain, than fuck you.

[Qgqqqqq]

Xpost with votes on Lew. Meh, haven't really paid attention much to him. Note the rage quit of yesterday, though , so a Lewwyn scumteam probably has 4, not 3 scum in it.

[Gazglum]

Q, I'm sorry if you're upset, and regardless of your alignment we all appreciate you stepping in as an emergency sub for the game. Thanks for responding.

Xpost with votes on Lew. Meh, haven't really paid attention much to him. Note the rage quit of yesterday, though , so a Lewwyn scumteam probably has 4, not 3 scum in it.

I don't quite follow this bit though, can you explain why you think a Lew-team is more likely to be 4-man?

[novice]

Q, I've never criticized you for not claiming your N2 result. You seem to be attributing all arguments against you to me. (My first mention of the N2 result was asking you for it just now because you seem to be going down, and you shouldn't be taking the information to the grave. Revealing just prior to deadline is fine with me.)

Q has delurked, so Sunrise089 for lurking.

[Gazglum]

Q, I've never criticized you for not claiming your N2 result. You seem to be attributing all arguments against you to me. (My first mention of the N2 result was asking you for it just now because you seem to be going down, and you shouldn't be taking the information to the grave. Revealing just prior to deadline is fine with me.)

Q has delurked, so Sunrise089 for lurking.

So were you voting Q for lurking, Novice?

[novice]

Q, I've never criticized you for not claiming your N2 result. You seem to be attributing all arguments against you to me. (My first mention of the N2 result was asking you for it just now because you seem to be going down, and you shouldn't be taking the information to the grave. Revealing just prior to deadline is fine with me.)

Q has delurked, so Sunrise089 for lurking.

So were you voting Q for lurking, Novice?

No. But if Q had kept lurking I would obviously lynch him instead of Sunrise.

If Sunrise tries to lurk through the entire day I'm all for lynching him instead. Well, as long as Q delurks, at least. Policy lynches ftw.

[Commodore]

Tally as of post 779:

5 votes: Qgqqqqq (Lewwyn, BRickAstley, Gaspar, Doctor Saul, Jabbz)
2 votes: Lewwyn (AdrienIer, Gazglum)
2 votes: Sunrise089 (dtay, novice)
1 votes: novice (Qgqqqqq)

Voting history:

Brick

Lewwyn

Novice

novice

AdrienIer

AdrienIer

novice

Saul

Qgqqqqq

Qgqqqqq

Qgqqqqq

Qgqqqqq

Qgqqqqq

Qgqqqqq

Qgqqqqq

Sunrise089

Lewwyn

Lewwyn

Sunrise089