WW 36 - Horrors in Kingsport [Game Thread]

[Jabbz]

I'm catching up this morning, and there are some interesting things happening. The Novice flip on qg/sunrise for instance. One thing I feel like no one is addressing however (sorry if someone addresses it after page 81, that's all I'm up to at the moment) deals with this.

Second, he has been making dumb mistakes. From my own brief experience as scum, I never read the thread more carefully than I did then. Q likes being scum and also reads carefully. I don't think dumb mistakes like who Zak was voting, or confusing his own ability, make sense for Scum Q. I think scum are more careful, not less.

Qg is known to be a good player. He is known to be an excellent scum player. He is known to be currently busy. Why can't he use all that knowledge, and make a difficult play by being scum pretending to be a bored, non-engaged townie? Were talking about a man who, last game, made his on QT thread just to keep his thoughts in order as scum. I can so see someone playing this game, especially with the added bit about a similar gambit to last game (claiming cop, claiming knower). It would be challenging yes. It would also be beautiful and terribly effective.

[Doctor Saul]

As for Adrien I thought I found a distancing slip. The tone goes from him starting a case on Q and then later saying it was other people's cases. He responded and said it wasn't his case, he was looking to push zak voters and Q was conveniently being pushed so he joined. I can see that in the re read although I want to see more than the happily chirping along that he's done in day 2.

I also am convinced I've given too many town points to Mattimeo voters. Novice had a great point that Matt was getting heat all day. So even if scum don't want to actively bids him he's still a safe place to park a vote unless they find something else they want. And I've known Matt to tell people not to save him as scum.

[Jabbz]

I don't feel good about Q as a lynch candidate, but absent my own reads I'm going with people I trust.

Isn't this from the guy who complained about my "appeal to authority" and it being scummy? I really wish I had time to go back and find that quote.

[Qgqqqqq]

Sunrise is a fine lynch because he's not really playing but I just feel like maybe he's being propped up as a compromise candidate because we're all bored with voting for Qg and I think his lynch still gives us the most information. I dislike policy lynches in a place where we have real information but I'm not sure how much real information we have. Sunrise felt D1 scummy but since then has just felt like usual, super busy sunrise. That doesn't really mean anything. Do we want to lynch that guy or the guy half the town has thought scummy enough to vote multiple times at this point? I mean, if nothing else, if he wriggles off the hook we're just going to do this again tomorrow and I don't see how that's remotely productive.

I agree entirely with this. A policy lynch on Sunrise is a shit decision right now. That said, I don't like Gaspars play the rest of this page, - why on earth would a novice lynch be impossible at this point?

[novice]

(Doing it page by page, so this is '39)

...and note novice jumping off me. How is a policy lynch better than me when you've been certain of me for two days now?

IMO it's better to start with the most recent events reading backwards, and deal with the disrupted continuity. Don't you think this has been asked and answered?

[Doctor Saul]

I don't feel good about Q as a lynch candidate, but absent my own reads I'm going with people I trust.

Isn't this from the guy who complained about my "appeal to authority" and it being scummy? I really wish I had time to go back and find that quote.

My issue was that you were saying I'm scummy and then waiting for people to vote before you did.

[Jabbz]

Caught up, and I think voting Qg is still a good idea. As a second best, I really like Novice for his bouncing around with little to no explanation. Then there is this post

Well that is unfortunate that Lewwyn had to run off with his vote left on me. Unfortunate in the sense that it's very convenient for scum Lewwyn but also in line with town Lewwyn. So I kind of shot myself in the foot there if Lewwyn is scum.

I'm very conflicted about what to do here, it seems whatever I do is just self-incriminating, and I'm very aware of it too, which makes things worse. Qgqqqqq is a good lynch, but I realize that there's a good chance he flips town, in which case I'm mislynched next. If I express doubts about him that reflects poorly back on me since I pushed him so hard earlier. If I don't I'm suspected for tunneling. I have serious trust issues with Lewwyn (and to a lesser extent, Gaspar), so when they vote away from Qgqqqqq I suspect Q even more, and when they join me I start doubting a Q lynch. I guess I should have just kept tunneling Q but my fear is that scum have manipulated me, letting me push a town Q hard enough that when they finally stop working against it I have no way of escaping a Q wagon without looking scummy, and presto they have a double mislynch lined up. I would hate being played like that.

So that is what goes on behind my enigmatic facade, and as a consequence my instinct is to escape the conundrum by finding scum outside the q/lewwyn/gaspar trifecta. I don't know who that would be though, but I do know that Sunrise deserves to hang if he keeps lurking while I'm struggling with these conflicts. And if he flips scum I can breathe again.

If Sunrise makes an appearance I may just have to take my chances on a Q lynch. Or maybe this post self-incriminates further and I'll just have to vote for self defense. That would solve my conundrum too.

Which reads to me like an "oh shit, I just dug myself a hole, now to try to dig myself out post. Both lynches are set to provide a good deal of information, as others have addressed. Here's hoping that we get red today, and not blue.

Off to do HW, I'll try to stick around for about 10 mins to answer any questions to my posts, but then I really need to buckle down, I still have 240 pages to read and a presentation to get ready, and only 6 hours to do it in :P

[AdrienIer]

I have to leave and I'm not sure if I'll be able to read any of this before deadline, I'm alone on Lewwyn now so I'll change it to Qgqqqqq because I have faith in a Lewwyn/Q duo (or more likely a Lewwyn/Q/someone else trio).

[Jabbz]

My issue was that you were saying I'm scummy and then waiting for people to vote before you did.

This is no different Saul. You're saying you're not sure who to vote, so you are going with the people you trust. I wasn't sure whether or not to vote for you, until I saw other people agreeing with my logic. You were using that as an argument as to why I was scummy. I think the same applies to you now. Especially given that this is a high profile lynch, and you are trying to get wiggle room by allowing yourself an out, where you can say "Oh, I wasn't sure, I was just going with x, y, and z." Then you get to claim one of them must be scum.

[Gazglum]

Can anyone with NOvice's tool do a vote count now? I have to head out in half an hour, minimal participation after that.