February 27th, 2015, 09:46
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if brick is scum he doesn't even need the role to know who did the night kill.
Lewwyn, if you're more confident in Gaspar bring scum than novice, who do you suspect most as a scum accomplice (assuming novice is town)? I can see a Gaspar-Novice team with yesterday's play, but I'm having trouble seeing why Gaspar sticks his neck out on the Q lynch if they aren't teamed up.
February 27th, 2015, 09:53
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Quote:The main scum point against BRick in my eyes is him going "let's lynch Q today and Novice tomorrow if he flips town" at the end of day 3. If he had replied just now that I was obviously scum for driving the Q wagon that would have been extra damning, in light of my reasoning above. But he didn't really do that, he just says he suspected me based on my general scumminess, to paraphrase. Which is fair enough, I suppose.
Part of that reaction was at that point, it just felt a whole lot like one or the other of you had to be scum, based on your interactions and how everyone was taking one side or the other pretty strongly. It feels like yesterday was a lot more like a scum vs. town lynch than having 2 villagers up on the block. It's not as much that you're scum for driving on Q, it just felt like you were most likely scum being opposite him.
February 27th, 2015, 10:00
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(February 27th, 2015, 09:46)Doctor Saul Wrote: if brick is scum he doesn't even need the role to know who did the night kill.
Lewwyn, if you're more confident in Gaspar bring scum than novice, who do you suspect most as a scum accomplice (assuming novice is town)? I can see a Gaspar-Novice team with yesterday's play, but I'm having trouble seeing why Gaspar sticks his neck out on the Q lynch if they aren't teamed up.
Yeah I mean to me that makes sense. Gaspar and novice as scum together is my default conclusion. Gaspar and Brick is also a possibility though if its a gambit to get Gaspar off the block today.
There are basically two scenarios.
A) Gaspar is scum and is looking like he'll be on the block today. Brick is scumbuddy and novice is town. Brick sees that scum are close to a win. All they need are two mislynches and Gaspar going down puts a kink in that. So they run the gambit.
B) Gaspar is scum and Brick is town and novice/adrien is scum. Brick does his role and catches novice or adriener.
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February 27th, 2015, 10:03
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Listen here's the main point. If Brick is scum what's his motivation for doing this "gambit" at the beginning of the day? The only one under real heat is Gaspar. So if Brick is scum Gaspar is also scum. If Brick is town then that does not mean Gaspar is not town. It does mean novice or Adrien is also scum.
What it comes down to for me is that Gaspar is the very best lynch for town today because independent of Brick's alignment he is the most likely scum.
The town must lynch Gaspar today.
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February 27th, 2015, 10:06
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This is also why Gapsar's vote on Brick is so scummy. Either Brick is his scumbuddy and it is distancing or Brick is town. If Brick is town then Gaspar as town should be thanking him for providing suspects instead of him. The only way that Brick is scum is if Gaspar IS ALSO SCUM.
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February 27th, 2015, 10:07
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Too clarify:
(February 27th, 2015, 10:06)Lewwyn Wrote: . The only way that Brick is scum is if Gaspar IS ALSO SCUM.
This is because Brick as scum gambiter only does the scum gambit to save Gaspar.
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February 27th, 2015, 10:42
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(February 27th, 2015, 10:06)Lewwyn Wrote: If Brick is town then Gaspar as town should be thanking him for providing suspects instead of him.
I get that you're on some dopamine high because you think you've caught one, but this is ridiculous. My job as town is to catch scum, I don't thank someone for getting me off the block to survive. That's what scum do. And let's be honest here, if we lynch novice today based on Brick's claim and he rolls town, I'm going to be on the block again tomorrow. When a confirmed town writes an opus on you and then a strong character parrots it, that stink doesn't wash off. People will be on me all game. For scum, I'm a Money in the Bank contract. Whenever they need a lynch, just cash me in. So I'm just going to play, I'm not going to obsess over the fact that I'm on the block - I'll respond/defend but otherwise I'm going to try and catch scum, that's my ultimate role.
This is usually the point in a losing game where I get lynched, historically.
Re: Brick's claim my doubts are thusly: Brick was pretty much dead neutral for me on read, he has a history of trying stupid shit, the role seems unnecessarily convoluted and it feels like we have too many of them. My main real doubt is that I feel like a scum Brick would have lined up two more universally suspicious players and then taken gentle chiding from us for not narrowing it better, but leaving him with two easy mislynches instead of just one. But I guess with how obviously I'm being targeted, maybe he didn't feel like he needed that.
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February 27th, 2015, 10:51
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(February 27th, 2015, 10:03)Lewwyn Wrote: Listen here's the main point. If Brick is scum what's his motivation for doing this "gambit" at the beginning of the day? The only one under real heat is Gaspar. So if Brick is scum Gaspar is also scum. If Brick is town then that does not mean Gaspar is not town. It does mean novice or Adrien is also scum.
What it comes down to for me is that Gaspar is the very best lynch for town today because independent of Brick's alignment he is the most likely scum.
The town must lynch Gaspar today.
What do you think about novice independent of Brick's reveal?
My concern about a Gaspar lynch today is we've kicked the Brick-Novice can down the road for tomorrow, regardless of how Gaspar flips.
I won't have time for it yet, but there were some posts by novice yesterday I wanted to re-examine.
And at risk of muddying the waters even more ... AdrienIer, how did you end up voting for Q? I was skimming back to the end of yesterday and I know we had a back-and-forth about your voting Q and then backing out ... and then you end back up on Q again? How is that?
February 27th, 2015, 11:02
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(February 27th, 2015, 10:42)Gaspar Wrote: (February 27th, 2015, 10:06)Lewwyn Wrote: If Brick is town then Gaspar as town should be thanking him for providing suspects instead of him.
I get that you're on some dopamine high because you think you've caught one, but this is ridiculous. My job as town is to catch scum, I don't thank someone for getting me off the block to survive. That's what scum do. And let's be honest here, if we lynch novice today based on Brick's claim and he rolls town, I'm going to be on the block again tomorrow. When a confirmed town writes an opus on you and then a strong character parrots it, that stink doesn't wash off. People will be on me all game. For scum, I'm a Money in the Bank contract. Whenever they need a lynch, just cash me in. So I'm just going to play, I'm not going to obsess over the fact that I'm on the block - I'll respond/defend but otherwise I'm going to try and catch scum, that's my ultimate role.
This is usually the point in a losing game where I get lynched, historically.
Re: Brick's claim my doubts are thusly: Brick was pretty much dead neutral for me on read, he has a history of trying stupid shit, the role seems unnecessarily convoluted and it feels like we have too many of them. My main real doubt is that I feel like a scum Brick would have lined up two more universally suspicious players and then taken gentle chiding from us for not narrowing it better, but leaving him with two easy mislynches instead of just one. But I guess with how obviously I'm being targeted, maybe he didn't feel like he needed that.
Brick already had mislynches for the day lined up if novice and you are town! There is absolutely no need for brick to make up something like this just to get novice lynched. Adrien is one of the people I had in my top village pool. Why would he risk himself so blatantly as scum. The only way that makes sense is if you are also scum, and even then I think it would be a dumb ploy as scum. I'm not going to vote to lynch Adrien if novice is town I'm going to lynch brick.
Gaspar you are not money in the bank for scum. It's cute of you to say that though.
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February 27th, 2015, 11:05
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(February 27th, 2015, 10:51)Doctor Saul Wrote: [quote='Lewwyn' pid='525412' dateline='1425049404']
What do you think about novice independent of Brick's reveal?
My concern about a Gaspar lynch today is we've kicked the Brick-Novice can down the road for tomorrow, regardless of how Gaspar flips.
I won't have time for it yet, but there were some posts by novice yesterday I wanted to re-examine.
And at risk of muddying the waters even more ... AdrienIer, how did you end up voting for Q? I was skimming back to the end of yesterday and I know we had a back-and-forth about your voting Q and then backing out ... and then you end back up on Q again? How is that?
I said earlier that I have novice at 90% scum. I believe that. If I have to vote for novice over brick I will. However I think the surest bet is Gaspar. I think he's the one the town needs to consolidate on.
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