WW 36 - Horrors in Kingsport [Game Thread]

[Gaspar]

I am Money in the Bank for scum, Lewwyn.

If novice gets lynched today and flips town, then you get night killed tomorrow and I couldn't possibly be more framed.

If novice gets lynched today and flips scum, then you get night killed tomorrow and I couldn't possibly be more framed.

If you're scum, the calculus changes but the result doesn't.

If novice gets lynched today and flips town, then a different player gets killed, say Saul, and you continue your crusade but with two less strong voices in the choir.

If novice gets lynched today and flips scum, Brick is killed and then the nice novice & Gaspar scumbuddy narrative is cemented.

You're the issue. You're a dog with a bone and you won't let go. Killing you frames me, letting you live let's you be the loudest voice in the echo chamber. Anyone who has ever played with you knows you won't sing another song for the rest of the game. So why not pull a gambit, get the harder mislynch out of the way and then let probable LyLo be a referendum on You vs Me, which I lose even in games where you've been scum and I've been town. And its clear that there's someone who knows the history of RB WW on the scum team from the night kills.

Bottom line, village can only win this game by hitting scum today, IMO. And that means I'm not blindly taking Brick at his word. But I have to say, everything that's going on right now reeks of Lewwyn scum. The tunnel works, the Brick gambit and your immediate acceptance of it - you tend to be skeptical on claims - hell you didn't buy Fenn's til he flipped and that was a lot easier to digest than a screwy seer in a game with limited roles. I actually believe there's a better chance that Brick's telling the truth than you easily accepting this as town.

Lewwyn

[Jabbz]

Listen here's the main point. If Brick is scum what's his motivation for doing this "gambit" at the beginning of the day? The only one under real heat is Gaspar. So if Brick is scum Gaspar is also scum. If Brick is town then that does not mean Gaspar is not town. It does mean novice or Adrien is also scum.

What it comes down to for me is that Gaspar is the very best lynch for town today because independent of Brick's alignment he is the most likely scum.

The town must lynch Gaspar today.

The gambit is simple. He scanned novice, gaz, and adrien. We lynch novice tonight, he's town. Brick then gets to be shocked that novice wasn't scum, but wait, there's more! Now adrien must be scum, so we lynch adrien. Adrien is town, but at this point, it's too late, as were down 4 town (two mislynch two night kills) and if scum haven't won at this point, they have traded 4 town for 1 of (2 or more likely 3) remaining scum. Not a damn bad trade IMO.

Ive been thinking about this since I read it during class yesterday. That's all the reading I got done yesterday, so I was untainted by the rest of the discussion that's occurred today. The question isn't "is Brick being honest?" It's "can we afford to be wrong?"

[Jabbz]

Yesterday was brutal, I'm going to try to keep up, but I can tell you right now, my participation may be decent, but my logic may suck as my focus definitely will. The above logic however is pretty solid IMO.

[AdrienIer]

And at risk of muddying the waters even more ... AdrienIer, how did you end up voting for Q? I was skimming back to the end of yesterday and I know we had a back-and-forth about your voting Q and then backing out ... and then you end back up on Q again? How is that?

I don't mind answering questions, it's only natural for people to have a doubt. BRick has made my targets easy but has put me in the spotlight as compensation.
On D3 I found a target in Lewwyn. Except no one followed me on him. But my Lewwyn case, I realized around the end, had one weakness : Q had to be scum for it to make sense. When I left I was alone on Lewwyn so I decided that I might just as well make sure Q died, after all he was a corollary of Lewwyn's guilt (post 825). And the good thing with that is that I'm now convinced of Lewwyn's innocence.
On voting Q and backing out on D2, I'll just repeat myself and say I never had a case against Q in particular.

I am Money in the Bank for scum, Lewwyn.

If novice gets lynched today and flips town, then you get night killed tomorrow and I couldn't possibly be more framed.

If novice gets lynched today and flips scum, then you get night killed tomorrow and I couldn't possibly be more framed.

If you're scum, the calculus changes but the result doesn't.

If novice gets lynched today and flips town, then a different player gets killed, say Saul, and you continue your crusade but with two less strong voices in the choir.

If novice gets lynched today and flips scum, Brick is killed and then the nice novice & Gaspar scumbuddy narrative is cemented.

You're the issue. You're a dog with a bone and you won't let go. Killing you frames me, letting you live let's you be the loudest voice in the echo chamber. Anyone who has ever played with you knows you won't sing another song for the rest of the game. So why not pull a gambit, get the harder mislynch out of the way and then let probable LyLo be a referendum on You vs Me, which I lose even in games where you've been scum and I've been town. And its clear that there's someone who knows the history of RB WW on the scum team from the night kills.

Bottom line, village can only win this game by hitting scum today, IMO. And that means I'm not blindly taking Brick at his word. But I have to say, everything that's going on right now reeks of Lewwyn scum. The tunnel works, the Brick gambit and your immediate acceptance of it - you tend to be skeptical on claims - hell you didn't buy Fenn's til he flipped and that was a lot easier to digest than a screwy seer in a game with limited roles. I actually believe there's a better chance that Brick's telling the truth than you easily accepting this as town.

Lewwyn

Fenn claimed his role 5mn before deadline, can you really blame Lewwyn for not buying it ?
The problem I see with lynching you today is that if we're wrong it means we can't be wrong ever again, including in the novice/BRick duel. If we go after novice it gives you one or two days to swing us to your side in case Lewwyn is wrong about you.

[Gaspar]

Fenn claimed his role 5mn before deadline, can you really blame Lewwyn for not buying it ?
The problem I see with lynching you today is that if we're wrong it means we can't be wrong ever again, including in the novice/BRick duel. If we go after novice it gives you one or two days to swing us to your side in case Lewwyn is wrong about you.

No, I don't blame him for not buying that. I don't even blame him for buying this. I blame him for how easily he's buying this. It just isn't his style.

[Lewwyn]

Today's going to be fun.

Let's start with the why I must be scum at this point.

You're the issue. You're a dog with a bone and you won't let go. Killing you frames me, letting you live let's you be the loudest voice in the echo chamber. Anyone who has ever played with you knows you won't sing another song for the rest of the game. So why not pull a gambit, get the harder mislynch out of the way and then let probable LyLo be a referendum on You vs Me, which I lose even in games where you've been scum and I've been town. And its clear that there's someone who knows the history of RB WW on the scum team from the night kills.

Bottom line, village can only win this game by hitting scum today, IMO. And that means I'm not blindly taking Brick at his word. But I have to say, everything that's going on right now reeks of Lewwyn scum. The tunnel works, the Brick gambit and your immediate acceptance of it - you tend to be skeptical on claims - hell you didn't buy Fenn's til he flipped and that was a lot easier to digest than a screwy seer in a game with limited roles. I actually believe there's a better chance that Brick's telling the truth than you easily accepting this as town.

Lewwyn

So I'm tunnelling, I'm a dog with a bone, I won't let go, and I must be scum because I accept Brick's claim.

FIRST! I never said I accepted Brick's claim, so you're putting words in my mouth there. In fact I'm saying that Brick could be town or scum, but in either case you voting for him makes no sense unless you're scum. So yeah I'm actually using Brick's claim and the timing of it plus your bad vote on it to show how it actually makes you look even scummier, which it does, and which has convinced me you are scum.

Second, the tunneling bit... Oh what was it you said when you voted for me back on Day 2?

There's a subtle difference for Lewwyn. Some games he posts sporadically with lots of attempted insight and then frenetically when he thinks he has someone. Other times he behaves more like he does here but there's a tone of village authority that he posts with, like he's pulling strings. This is a thing zak does pretty much every game unless he's into his full on goofy routine. There's short bursts, little insights, passive chasing. Village Lewwyn to me tends to be quieter until he has something then boom, non-stop attack. Maybe I'm sensitive because of that game where he trolled me hard but that's what I've been reading all along.

Oh that's right you said village Lewwyn goes boom non-stop attack. Curious that once that non-stop attack falls on you I'm scum for it. Quite contradictory actually. You voted for me for one reason on Day 2 when I was voting for you and then today you vote for me for basically the opposite of that reason.

To quote Gazglum, "What a scumbo!"

[Lewwyn]

Fenn claimed his role 5mn before deadline, can you really blame Lewwyn for not buying it ?
The problem I see with lynching you today is that if we're wrong it means we can't be wrong ever again, including in the novice/BRick duel. If we go after novice it gives you one or two days to swing us to your side in case Lewwyn is wrong about you.

No, I don't blame him for not buying that. I don't even blame him for buying this. I blame him for how easily he's buying this. It just isn't his style.

HAHA! Let's analyze this. What am I buying? I assume you mean I'm buying into Gazglum's post on you being scum? You mean when I decided you were scum yesterday when I cam back just before lynch and posted this:

SMH.

I'm having a super hard time picking the scum out of this. I do know that no matter what happens today we should have more info, even if its just me getting lynched and proving I'm innocent.

Novice - scummy day and night 2, less scummy beginning of Day 3 followed by a more recent bit of scummy.

Qg - really scummy play, but he's not wrong, I'd forgotten he was just a sub and he could be a fall guy based on not actually signing up for this. A lot of the issues I have with him could be because he's not really paying as much attention. Or he could be scum.

Gaspar - totally feeling scummier today. A lot more of fall back and follow behind. Being noncommittal. Again though, I'm confused myself right now so maybe its nothing and my scumdar is pinging for no reason.

This is when I felt Gaspar was the scummiest and novice second scummiest. But I knew I couldn't get Gaspar lynched with such little time left. I still wasn't completely sure on Qg, but I knew novice was feeling scummier. So I said lynch novice, but of course no one's paying any attention except scum.

So yeah I'm not "buying" into your guilt Gaspar, I was already pretty sure before Gazglum posted. I just didn't want you to kill me in the night.

[AdrienIer]

I think Gaspar means buying into BRick's claim

[Lewwyn]

Fenn claimed his role 5mn before deadline, can you really blame Lewwyn for not buying it ?
The problem I see with lynching you today is that if we're wrong it means we can't be wrong ever again, including in the novice/BRick duel. If we go after novice it gives you one or two days to swing us to your side in case Lewwyn is wrong about you.

No, I don't blame him for not buying that. I don't even blame him for buying this. I blame him for how easily he's buying this. It just isn't his style.

Oh wait are you referring to me buying Brick's claim? Because again, one reason I'm pushing you so hard is that I'm not completely sure about all that but I am completely sure about you. I will say that I believe that Brick's claim is more likely a town claim than a scum claim. But I will reevaluate that later. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

[Lewwyn]

I think Gaspar means buying into BRick's claim

Yeah got that after I posted.