February 28th, 2015, 18:04
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Here's the final day 4 tally and vote history, for completeness.
7 votes: Gaspar ( Doctor Saul, Lewwyn, AdrienIer, Jabbz, dtay, BRickAstley, sunrise089)
1 votes: BRickAstley ( novice)
1 votes: Lewwyn ( Gaspar)
Voting history:
I have to run.
February 28th, 2015, 18:05
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Alright, so 8 of us are left - it'll be 7 pretty soon, and likely 2 scum. And if there are less scum, then we've got it wrapped up with the Brick/Novice/AdrienIer question, so really we just need to play like there's 2 scum left.
My takes:
Heavy Town Lean
Lewwyn
AdrienIer
Town Lean
Dtay
Jabbz
Unknown
Sunrise
Brick
Scum Lean
Novice
If I'm right on the town tells, then I think we have this. So I need to check up on my town tells and make sure I'm right. I like Lewwyn's bit on Jabbz - that makes me feel better about him as town.
February 28th, 2015, 18:27
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I think the one with a town lean that I'm still a bit wary of would be dtay, but I'm going to do a reread on him again as well. I'll post more thoughts on him again as well. Hopefully in the next few hours so dtay has a chance to respond to any questions before night is over.
And actually I have one quick question for dtay off the top of my head. It seemed like you suspected me of being scum and novice of being town at the end of day 3. Given the results of today what are your thoughts on novice?
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February 28th, 2015, 18:37
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Specifically at the end of Day 3 novice says:
(February 25th, 2015, 14:26)novice Wrote: OK, I'll join you, Dtay. Lewwyn.
When pressed why he says:
(February 25th, 2015, 14:29)novice Wrote: I like dtay.
And then he follows dtay back on to Qg at the end of the day. For me it looks a bit like scum buddying up looking for an opportunitic lynch off the back of a possibly misguided villager. Mostly because novice doesn't actually give a reason for voting me or any comment on what dtay says. Also dtay seems earnest, even if the one he's trying to lynch is me.
Any thoughts on all this?
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February 28th, 2015, 19:00
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(February 28th, 2015, 18:27)Lewwyn Wrote: I think the one with a town lean that I'm still a bit wary of would be dtay, but I'm going to do a reread on him again as well. I'll post more thoughts on him again as well. Hopefully in the next few hours so dtay has a chance to respond to any questions before night is over.
And actually I have one quick question for dtay off the top of my head. It seemed like you suspected me of being scum and novice of being town at the end of day 3. Given the results of today what are your thoughts on novice?
A lot scummier. Partially b/c of attractiveness of the gaspar/novice pair in terms of explaining previous days, but also lot just because I now think you are extremely unlikely to be scum given successfuly lynch of gaspar and you and novice have inversely related scumminess from earlier interactions.
It is still vaguely possible that scum decided start of day bus Gaspar to get both of them into deep deep cover, but I don't think that's likely, mainly because if you survive more than 2 more nights it'll look extremely suspicious. You're TOO towny to be an undercover scum, because you look so towny right now your continued survival would be hard to explain.
Now, you can wifom that down and say "well the scum LET me survive just so you would think the above", but I think the point stands, because if in order to conclude lew=scum I have to think through several levels of wifom AND believe in a start of day bussing plot I should relaly probably just be looking elsewhere.
I'll probably be online again in about 3 hours for a brief period of time, and then again tomorrow morning (for purposes of timing questions around when I can answer).
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February 28th, 2015, 19:05
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difference I noted before is I'm not as convinced in Adrien's towniness as everyone else seems to be. A matt vote only goes so far and there's a very very narrow band of space where scum actually wouldn't vote on him. They might vote on him early, expecting it to die by days end b/c it's day 1, or vote on him late to bus. Especially since many of hte people on matt were basically only on him for lurking, making the join seem even safer. I was honestly surprised he didn't just contribute a bit more to get people off him, sinec many were pretty much policy lynching him.
So I would throw adrien in my "I don't know" catagory, MAAYBE in my lean town catagory, but def not in my strong lean.
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February 28th, 2015, 19:44
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If Adrien isn't near-town dtay how does that make you lean re: Novice vs. Brick?
February 28th, 2015, 20:27
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I'm just going to post this vote tally from Day 1 with 5 hours to go.
(February 19th, 2015, 09:56)Commodore Wrote: Tally as of post 209:
5 votes: Doctor Saul (Lewwyn, zakalwe, Jabbz, Gazglum) (Fenn)
3 votes: Mattimeo (sunrise089, Rowain)(dtay)
2 votes: AdreinIer (Qgqqqqq) (novice)
2 votes: sunrise089 (Gaspar) (Mattimeo)
1 votes: Novice (AdrienIer)
1 votes: Fenn (Doctor Saul)
1 votes: Gaspar (BRickAstley)
Voting history:
~5 hours to go.
Notice anything?
I think this might actually be a strong point in favor of Sunrise's innocence. Gaspar and Matt were both definitely trying to get him lynched. Following this gazglum made it 3 votes on Matt and Adrien made it 4 votes on him. After that Gaspar switches over to Matt.
I think scum were trying to go with the lurker lynch of sunrise here, but in the end were forced to swap back over to Matt for the cred. There is a possibility that Matt and Sunrise were both scum running a large distancing gambit, but I think the presence of BOTH Gaspar and Matt on Sunrise with 5 hours to go makes it very unlikely that all three are scum in a scum ploy.
So I am actually leaning toward Sunrise being less likely scum, but I still need to read a bit more on him to make sure.
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February 28th, 2015, 21:18
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Maybe we should just lynch both brick and novice. Maybe they are both scum.
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February 28th, 2015, 21:36
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(February 28th, 2015, 17:12)sunrise089 Wrote: (February 28th, 2015, 16:44)Jabbz Wrote: . I'm not 100% convinced about the Brick thing.
This was directed at Lewwyn, so what Brick thing?
(February 28th, 2015, 15:40)Lewwyn Wrote: So the question now is if Brick is lying or telling the truth. If he's telling the truth at least one of novice and Adrien are scum. If he's lying he's scum (I wouldn't preclude novice still being scum). I think we all need to weigh in on this tonight before the night is over.
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