WW 36 - Horrors in Kingsport [Game Thread]

[Doctor Saul]

I meant if you had to choose on day 1.

Saul, if you had to choose between Zak and Mattimeo on day one, who would you have targetted?

Thanks for indulging me.

Pretty sure it's still novice

[BRickAstley]

Not done yet, but so far on my reread, AdrienIer seems pretty solidly town, mostly for the same reasons that have been mostly stated on here before. Stuff like helping with the Mattimeo lynch, and comments on his hunting and trying to find people scummy that seem reminiscent of village play. He hasn't really talked much since I made my decision on him, other than clarificationss about my action, and defending lewwyn against some of gaspar
s attack. He also helped secure a Gaspar lynch yesterday, which is good. Um, I'm not really sure what else there is to go on from there. I feel very confident in his towniness, which is why I picked him for my scan. Novice has been posting a lot lately so to be fair I'll reread his stuff and make sure there isn't anything that will change my mind on him, but I see no reason to not follow through on the novice lynch so far.

[novice]

I meant if you had to choose on day 1.

Saul, if you had to choose between Zak and Mattimeo on day one, who would you have targetted?

Thanks for indulging me.

Pretty sure it's still novice

See, this is what I hate about having no town cred. Saul, if you're town you should be embarassed.

[Doctor Saul]

That's what I as going to say to you, novice. You seem to be far more interested in the details of ability than hunting scum

[novice]

Okay, I guess exchanging insults is not productive. Trust me Saul, I am embarrassed.

You should be too, though. The bare minimum of town play should be to communicate with people instead of laughing in their faces.

Are you going to respond to my question? It's my last one, I promise.

[Doctor Saul]

Come on town, don't just waste this time. Nows the time to re read, especially days 2&3. even if we're right today there's still another.

Dtay, what are your thoughts? I haven't seen a good write up in a couple days. I was agreeing with a lot of your points early on I recall.

[sunrise089]

And speaking of Dtay, I am still asking for his claim. Or a reminder if he's already posted it.

[novice]

Why BRick is scum. (And Novice is town.)


I've been over it before but I'll collect it here since you guys are all incredibly lazy, apparently. Yes, you guys. Not me. (Sunrise: The tone to pick up here is repressed anger.)

He made up a claim to save Gaspar.

His behaviour is not consistent with telling the truth about the claim.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

We've got this one in the bag today.

I am a Collector of Much Evidence. Once during the game I can scan 3 players, and I am given a positive result if any of them have killed in the last two days. Last night I scanned novice, Gazglum, and AdrienIer. And I got back 'positive'.

Therefore, today we should lynch novice.

No looking for scum buddies before he dropped the bomb. No reevaluation of AdrienIer prior to declaring me to be a sure lynch, even though he said he had been waffling about who to scan besides Gaz and me.

He then spends exactly zero time on day 4 reevaluating AdrienIer, instead he joins the Gaspar wagon. This is just not natural behaviour. After suspecting me, scanning me, getting a guilty result, voting me while laughing that the game is in the bag, BRick spends no time campaigning for my lynch. Instead he agrees to lynch Gaspar and buy himself more time.

What do I do when BRick scans me? I immediately reread BRick and AdrienIer, and put down a vote on the 50/50. What seems like more likely villager behaviour here?

Going back to day 2 and day 3. BRick spends the entirety of day 2 and 3 on Qgqqqqq. I do too, but towards the end of day 3 I start having doubts and acting erratically. Now, scum knows that Qgqqqqq is about to flip as town. What would scum do. Would they jump off the wagon after pushing it for 2 days, or would they double down on Qgqqqqq being scum? You decide. Read BRick's post from the end of day 3 that I've pointed out before, here:

Firstly though, do people really think I'm scum? [...]

Yes, I do really think you're scum.

In that post BRick does his utmost to hammer in that he really really sincerely still believes Qgqqqqq to be scum. At the same time, he:
* Has no opinion on Gaspar
* Suspects me, for being lazy - after doing exactly what BRick has been doing for the last 2 days, and then started behaving erratically in an apparently lazy fashion
* Suggests lynching me next if Qgqqqqq is town
* Can easily see me or Qgqqqqqq as scum. That's right. He's really sure that Qgqqqqq is scum, and at the same time he can easily see Qgqqqqq as scum. Which is it? "Really sure" when we're lynching Q, and "easily" when considering who to lynch next?

Here's the kicker, though. I'm including a bit more of BRick's post here, for context:

Firstly though, do people really think I'm scum?

Yes, I do really think you're scum.

Finally, as Dtay has said much better than me, its suspicious how long Q has sat at the top without his 'scum buddies' trying to help him out. (Unless I'm doing that right now, WIFOM if you will!). Day 2 was lazy enough that scum would have been able to easily keep their team out of danger, but Q was in danger right until the end. Day 3 there has been a slow accumulation of votes on him without scum shoving forward their compromise candidate until (possibly) just now in Sunrise.

What if he's told the scum to feel free to bus him? If he's short on time and unhappy with his play so far this game, I could very well see scum Q saying "yeah just take me out whenever, I wont be lasting til endgame anyways." I mean it's already been done with mattimeo this game, and it could give remaining scum really good cover, due to the WIFOM factor.

BRick really does believe that Q is scum. But also, he really believes that Mattimeo said "yeah just take me out whenever, I won't be lasting til endgame anyways". You can see from the phrasing that BRick believes this, and takes it for granted. This is a slip of the tongue. It's not consistent at all with being on Q for two straight days. What is the main reason that Q is suspicious? It's his last minute swing on Zakalwe on day 1. Yet BRick obviously doesn't believe that this could have been instigated by scum.

Compare with what I've argued day 2 and half of day 3. My case on Q was that he would try to save Mattimeo by lynching Zakalwe, and that if that failed he would then try to ride this off with his masterly scum skills. I felt that in the case of Q, his day 1 actions couldn't be redeemed by subsequent towny play, and that he therefore was an obvious day 2 lynch.

BRick on the other hand, doesn't believe what he's spouting. Lynch him.

[Doctor Saul]

Not done yet, but so far on my reread, AdrienIer seems pretty solidly town, mostly for the same reasons that have been mostly stated on here before. Stuff like helping with the Mattimeo lynch, and comments on his hunting and trying to find people scummy that seem reminiscent of village play. He hasn't really talked much since I made my decision on him, other than clarificationss about my action, and defending lewwyn against some of gaspar
s attack. He also helped secure a Gaspar lynch yesterday, which is good. Um, I'm not really sure what else there is to go on from there. I feel very confident in his towniness, which is why I picked him for my scan. Novice has been posting a lot lately so to be fair I'll reread his stuff and make sure there isn't anything that will change my mind on him, but I see no reason to not follow through on the novice lynch so far.

Why are you re-reading AdrienIer?

[dtay]

Claim as in role claim? Sleeper.

Gonna be contributing much more over next 18 hours, parents were visiting this weekend (left this morning) which limited engagement time and made a full reread hard (i have been keeping up with new posts though).

I find parsing this situation with confidence difficult. I'm partially through Brick/Novice/Adrien rereads in light of new situation, my tentative conclusion is novice like seemingly everyone else but I am way less confident in this than the rest of you seem to be.

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Will have actual post with like, logic and stuff up soon.

Interesting thing I don't think I've seen noted but could have missed: Adrien was the only person to join Brick on Novice yesterday instead of the gaspar lynch. Scum pair trying to save Gaspar? Scum jumping on town Brick's mistaken ID'ing of novice to try to save Gaspar? Or just town mistake (possible with either town or scum brick, though changes novice alignment thoughts).