WW 36 - Horrors in Kingsport [Game Thread]

[sunrise089]

Thanks Dtay!

[BRickAstley]

Not done yet, but so far on my reread, AdrienIer seems pretty solidly town, mostly for the same reasons that have been mostly stated on here before. Stuff like helping with the Mattimeo lynch, and comments on his hunting and trying to find people scummy that seem reminiscent of village play. He hasn't really talked much since I made my decision on him, other than clarificationss about my action, and defending lewwyn against some of gaspar
s attack. He also helped secure a Gaspar lynch yesterday, which is good. Um, I'm not really sure what else there is to go on from there. I feel very confident in his towniness, which is why I picked him for my scan. Novice has been posting a lot lately so to be fair I'll reread his stuff and make sure there isn't anything that will change my mind on him, but I see no reason to not follow through on the novice lynch so far.

Why are you re-reading AdrienIer?

novice had asked me to in the last game day, and i figured it would be a good idea to do so for due diligance.

[BRickAstley]

He made up a claim to save Gaspar.

Which was definitely my intent when I said right when I claimed that I also really liked the case on gaspar, advocated for his lynch, and then followed through and lynched him.

No looking for scum buddies before he dropped the bomb. No reevaluation of AdrienIer prior to declaring me to be a sure lynch, even though he said he had been waffling about who to scan besides Gaz and me.

Yes, I was hasty. I had been excited that I actually got a positive result, and blew my load early. I had also just had my feelings on Adrien improved, with some of his points about gaspar along with gazglum. The two of them made some very good points and semed of a similar mind. In the moment I didn't feel a need to consider it.

He then spends exactly zero time on day 4 reevaluating AdrienIer, instead he joins the Gaspar wagon. This is just not natural behaviour. After suspecting me, scanning me, getting a guilty result, voting me while laughing that the game is in the bag, BRick spends no time campaigning for my lynch. Instead he agrees to lynch Gaspar and buy himself more time.

I also deeply suspected Gaspar, based on the posts from the previous night. I preferred to lynch you, but everyone else was saying they'd rather lynch gaspar first. Since everyone seemed to want to lynchgaspar first, i saw no reason to argue hard for people to lynch the most scummy person i wanted to get over the next most scummy player, when the consensus was that people would be fine just reversing the order.

Also, I didn't have a ton of time last game day, so I put off the reread, because it wasn't necessary right then and i really didn't want to spend the time on a busy weekend when I could do it later.

Going back to day 2 and day 3. BRick spends the entirety of day 2 and 3 on Qgqqqqq. I do too, but towards the end of day 3 I start having doubts and acting erratically. Now, scum knows that Qgqqqqq is about to flip as town. What would scum do. Would they jump off the wagon after pushing it for 2 days, or would they double down on Qgqqqqq being scum?

Why would a scum want to ride a mislynch hard? Why would a scum not wanna jump off once he was pretty sure a target would die so as to evade suspicion? How would it help me if I were scum to ride that ship all the way down when it wasn't necessary?

In that post BRick does his utmost to hammer in that he really really sincerely still believes Qgqqqqq to be scum. At the same time, he:
* Has no opinion on Gaspar
* Suspects me, for being lazy - after doing exactly what BRick has been doing for the last 2 days, and then started behaving erratically in an apparently lazy fashion

My no opinion on Gaspar was because he had fell into my blind spot of suspecting the same people as me, so I hadn't been thinking about him much. That kinda plugs in with the other, I had gotten honed in on Q, and was kinda persuing him doggedly while he was alive, because I had felt pretty sure I had caught scum. It's not a good habit but it's a bad one I fall into sometimes.

* Suggests lynching me next if Qgqqqqq is town
* Can easily see me or Qgqqqqqq as scum. That's right. He's really sure that Qgqqqqq is scum, and at the same time he can easily see Qgqqqqq as scum. Which is it? "Really sure" when we're lynching Q, and "easily" when considering who to lynch next?

Literally directly addressed this before.

How is that either or hedging? I feel pretty confident at the time that Q is scum if that turns out to not be the case, then I feel confident that novice is scum, mainly because besides the Q argument you sounded very scum to me. That's just a logical progression, not being noncommittal.

novice you responded by saying i used a lot of 'hedging modifiers', but that's just be being unnecessarially wordy in how I talk, I don't think that at all invalidates what I was saying, I'll stand by what I said even if you are attacking my phrases.

Here's the kicker, though. I'm including a bit more of BRick's post here, for context:

What if he's told the scum to feel free to bus him? If he's short on time and unhappy with his play so far this game, I could very well see scum Q saying "yeah just take me out whenever, I wont be lasting til endgame anyways." I mean it's already been done with mattimeo this game, and it could give remaining scum really good cover, due to the WIFOM factor.

BRick really does believe that Q is scum. But also, he really believes that Mattimeo said "yeah just take me out whenever, I won't be lasting til endgame anyways". You can see from the phrasing that BRick believes this, and takes it for granted. This is a slip of the tongue. It's not consistent at all with being on Q for two straight days. What is the main reason that Q is suspicious? It's his last minute swing on Zakalwe on day 1. Yet BRick obviously doesn't believe that this could have been instigated by scum.

About that specific wording, I can agree that in a vacuum it does look pretty bad. But the reason I was thinking that it was pretty likely was because Mattimeo held a high vote count for most of the day, and at the time some of the sitting votes were a townie (Fenn) and alikely townie (Lewwyn). That plus knowing it's something that Matt has done before and would do, is why I thought that.

Also your claiming I'm not being consistent is hogwash, that's not the main reason I'd been holding to my vote on hm at all, if you had done an honest reread you'd see that.

Actually the more I get thinking about it I feel like I have to go back to Qgqqqqq

This whole process of claiming really just sounds super fishy to me. Asking for permission from Rowain first for something that you think is weak anyways? And I do know you're sharp, and even though you haven't been around much (which is fine), you were certainly on right after Matt's lynch cause you posted, and you didn't think to confirm that his similar sounding role to yours was the same in the 3 days since? Very sketchy.

And then as soon as someone mentions the possibility of roles being potentially duplicated and maybe you aren't 100% scum you fly off the handle, which sounds worried that others might think that way too.

Yes, I do really think you're scum. And the fact that you're just saying "I get lazy as town, so since I'm lazy I'm town" and "just cause you lynch me might not give you any info" sounds like grasping at straws to me. I do know you're busy, so I'm not on you at all for your post length or frequency. It's cause when you do post, the posts are bad.

That's the point though, it feels to me like you're getting frustrated with your play and how other people have read you. It's your frustration showing when you respond to people accusing you, it's pretty much OMGUS. Also to correspond with your play last game, while yes you are playing differently than last game where you were scum, last game you had your cop claim to hide behind, and never ended a game day with more than one vote on you. You're getting a lot more dangerous pressure this game, and that in combo with less time to spend on the game, I believe is making you frustrated.

I just still can't see why or how you would not realize that your role is the exact same as the one Mattimeo had until people point it out to you 3 days later. The only explanations are a villager who really didn't care or notice when sending in a night action, or a scum who decided to make a safe or similar claim and not talk on it too much to hope village didn't notice. Neither one makes sense for you really. Doesn't change the bad posts otherwise though.

Seems like you're accusing me of going back on a reason for suspicion that wasn't why I felt Q guilty at all.

Compare with what I've argued day 2 and half of day 3. My case on Q was that he would try to save Mattimeo by lynching Zakalwe, and that if that failed he would then try to ride this off with his masterly scum skills. I felt that in the case of Q, his day 1 actions couldn't be redeemed by subsequent towny play, and that he therefore was an obvious day 2 lynch.

BRick on the other hand, doesn't believe what he's spouting. Lynch him.

Oh yeah, that was your argument. So you're trying to vote for me for going back on a notion of Q being scummy for a last minute lynch attempt, when that was primarily your theory that you put forth.

novice is trying to twist my words around and present biased arguments to try and weasel his way out of being identified as guilty and mislnch the guy who caught him. Lynch him.

[Doctor Saul]

Thanks Dtay!

You're the only one left now sunrise. Care to lay your cards on the table?

Almost done with the Brick re-read, but i'm starving. Will write the thoughts up in a bit.

[novice]

He made up a claim to save Gaspar.

Which was definitely my intent when I said right when I claimed that I also really liked the case on gaspar, advocated for his lynch, and then followed through and lynched him.

No looking for scum buddies before he dropped the bomb. No reevaluation of AdrienIer prior to declaring me to be a sure lynch, even though he said he had been waffling about who to scan besides Gaz and me.

Yes, I was hasty. I had been excited that I actually got a positive result, and blew my load early. I had also just had my feelings on Adrien improved, with some of his points about gaspar along with gazglum. The two of them made some very good points and semed of a similar mind. In the moment I didn't feel a need to consider it.

He then spends exactly zero time on day 4 reevaluating AdrienIer, instead he joins the Gaspar wagon. This is just not natural behaviour. After suspecting me, scanning me, getting a guilty result, voting me while laughing that the game is in the bag, BRick spends no time campaigning for my lynch. Instead he agrees to lynch Gaspar and buy himself more time.

I also deeply suspected Gaspar, based on the posts from the previous night. I preferred to lynch you, but everyone else was saying they'd rather lynch gaspar first. Since everyone seemed to want to lynchgaspar first, i saw no reason to argue hard for people to lynch the most scummy person i wanted to get over the next most scummy player, when the consensus was that people would be fine just reversing the order.

Also, I didn't have a ton of time last game day, so I put off the reread, because it wasn't necessary right then and i really didn't want to spend the time on a busy weekend when I could do it later.

Going back to day 2 and day 3. BRick spends the entirety of day 2 and 3 on Qgqqqqq. I do too, but towards the end of day 3 I start having doubts and acting erratically. Now, scum knows that Qgqqqqq is about to flip as town. What would scum do. Would they jump off the wagon after pushing it for 2 days, or would they double down on Qgqqqqq being scum?

Why would a scum want to ride a mislynch hard? Why would a scum not wanna jump off once he was pretty sure a target would die so as to evade suspicion? How would it help me if I were scum to ride that ship all the way down when it wasn't necessary?

In that post BRick does his utmost to hammer in that he really really sincerely still believes Qgqqqqq to be scum. At the same time, he:
* Has no opinion on Gaspar
* Suspects me, for being lazy - after doing exactly what BRick has been doing for the last 2 days, and then started behaving erratically in an apparently lazy fashion

My no opinion on Gaspar was because he had fell into my blind spot of suspecting the same people as me, so I hadn't been thinking about him much. That kinda plugs in with the other, I had gotten honed in on Q, and was kinda persuing him doggedly while he was alive, because I had felt pretty sure I had caught scum. It's not a good habit but it's a bad one I fall into sometimes.

* Suggests lynching me next if Qgqqqqq is town
* Can easily see me or Qgqqqqqq as scum. That's right. He's really sure that Qgqqqqq is scum, and at the same time he can easily see Qgqqqqq as scum. Which is it? "Really sure" when we're lynching Q, and "easily" when considering who to lynch next?

Literally directly addressed this before.

How is that either or hedging? I feel pretty confident at the time that Q is scum if that turns out to not be the case, then I feel confident that novice is scum, mainly because besides the Q argument you sounded very scum to me. That's just a logical progression, not being noncommittal.

novice you responded by saying i used a lot of 'hedging modifiers', but that's just be being unnecessarially wordy in how I talk, I don't think that at all invalidates what I was saying, I'll stand by what I said even if you are attacking my phrases.

Here's the kicker, though. I'm including a bit more of BRick's post here, for context:

What if he's told the scum to feel free to bus him? If he's short on time and unhappy with his play so far this game, I could very well see scum Q saying "yeah just take me out whenever, I wont be lasting til endgame anyways." I mean it's already been done with mattimeo this game, and it could give remaining scum really good cover, due to the WIFOM factor.

BRick really does believe that Q is scum. But also, he really believes that Mattimeo said "yeah just take me out whenever, I won't be lasting til endgame anyways". You can see from the phrasing that BRick believes this, and takes it for granted. This is a slip of the tongue. It's not consistent at all with being on Q for two straight days. What is the main reason that Q is suspicious? It's his last minute swing on Zakalwe on day 1. Yet BRick obviously doesn't believe that this could have been instigated by scum.

About that specific wording, I can agree that in a vacuum it does look pretty bad. But the reason I was thinking that it was pretty likely was because Mattimeo held a high vote count for most of the day, and at the time some of the sitting votes were a townie (Fenn) and alikely townie (Lewwyn). That plus knowing it's something that Matt has done before and would do, is why I thought that.

Also your claiming I'm not being consistent is hogwash, that's not the main reason I'd been holding to my vote on hm at all, if you had done an honest reread you'd see that.

Actually the more I get thinking about it I feel like I have to go back to Qgqqqqq

This whole process of claiming really just sounds super fishy to me. Asking for permission from Rowain first for something that you think is weak anyways? And I do know you're sharp, and even though you haven't been around much (which is fine), you were certainly on right after Matt's lynch cause you posted, and you didn't think to confirm that his similar sounding role to yours was the same in the 3 days since? Very sketchy.

And then as soon as someone mentions the possibility of roles being potentially duplicated and maybe you aren't 100% scum you fly off the handle, which sounds worried that others might think that way too.

Yes, I do really think you're scum. And the fact that you're just saying "I get lazy as town, so since I'm lazy I'm town" and "just cause you lynch me might not give you any info" sounds like grasping at straws to me. I do know you're busy, so I'm not on you at all for your post length or frequency. It's cause when you do post, the posts are bad.

That's the point though, it feels to me like you're getting frustrated with your play and how other people have read you. It's your frustration showing when you respond to people accusing you, it's pretty much OMGUS. Also to correspond with your play last game, while yes you are playing differently than last game where you were scum, last game you had your cop claim to hide behind, and never ended a game day with more than one vote on you. You're getting a lot more dangerous pressure this game, and that in combo with less time to spend on the game, I believe is making you frustrated.

I just still can't see why or how you would not realize that your role is the exact same as the one Mattimeo had until people point it out to you 3 days later. The only explanations are a villager who really didn't care or notice when sending in a night action, or a scum who decided to make a safe or similar claim and not talk on it too much to hope village didn't notice. Neither one makes sense for you really. Doesn't change the bad posts otherwise though.

Seems like you're accusing me of going back on a reason for suspicion that wasn't why I felt Q guilty at all.

Compare with what I've argued day 2 and half of day 3. My case on Q was that he would try to save Mattimeo by lynching Zakalwe, and that if that failed he would then try to ride this off with his masterly scum skills. I felt that in the case of Q, his day 1 actions couldn't be redeemed by subsequent towny play, and that he therefore was an obvious day 2 lynch.

BRick on the other hand, doesn't believe what he's spouting. Lynch him.

Oh yeah, that was your argument. So you're trying to vote for me for going back on a notion of Q being scummy for a last minute lynch attempt, when that was primarily your theory that you put forth.

novice is trying to twist my words around and present biased arguments to try and weasel his way out of being identified as guilty and mislnch the guy who caught him. Lynch him.

That was my theory, yes, which you agreed with. Your day three slip shows that you couldn't have honestly weighed Q's scumminess.

Would I really think that flipflopping on Q on day three would GAIN me town cred? Anyone can see the inconsistency in doing that, which is why scum would rather use a null role claim to hammer home the lynch.

[Doctor Saul]

Sorry, no time to pretty up my thoughts so we get the James Joyce, stream of conscious version:

Brick Re-Read:


Day 1

Opens with lots of jokes, relaxed tone. Enjoying himself.

Rowain pushes him about being defensive and Brick immediately brings up his first game as scum.

Votes Qgqqqq for wanting to even the vote. Kind of a bad reason, IMO. Says he wants him to explain his reasoning but he doesn't think he's scummy. Again, not a fan of this thinking on day 1.

Votes Gaspar, telling him to come out as "even mattimeo has posted more than him".

Posts a defense of me but it seems half-hearted. Appears to misunderstand what zak is talking about a formula, and then realizes he mistook the amount of posts i had.

Apologizes for lack of activity due to work load. Can empathize.

Post #258
Explains his Q reasoning - okay, this makes sense to me now. He thinks he caught Q in a slip of trying to convey a sense of authority and helpfulness.
Talks about me, Matitmeo, and sunrise. This is a post I remember agreeing a lot with when I first read it, especially the "Mattimeo Mattimeoing" part. Says he'd prefer to lynch Mattimeo of those 3, though at this time Mattimeo has a huge lead so we may be in bus territory.

He suspects Gaz initially and follows that up with a dump of his posts, doesnt' like that he has lots of questions and no follow-up. I think that's a reasonable thing to question early on.

Post #279 - the "I really hope he's a wolf" part is really awkward. Feels forced.

Responds to Rowain's accusations that he's convering for Mattimeo. Says he doesn't feel great about Matt. Joins me on Zak after I push for it. Appears spooked by how quickly that gets traction.

The mattimeo-zak-mattimeo voting feels authentic to me. He would vote for Mattimeo fo the three options given, does so, and then when presented with my case on zak he agrees it is fishy and votes zak after I push him to. Then gets scared by the run on zak and votes off to Mattimeo. Reads like a villager going WTF.


Night 1 -

Doesn't like that Q was in the initial push against zak. He's been on Q since Q's first post though, so makes sense.

Says on re-read Gazglum looks better. Gives a recap of his day 1 which is pretty much spot on to how I just interpretted it on my read through now. Fights with zakalwe and rowain.

Day/Night 1 reads like villager Brick. Not that I've played with wolf Brick, but I like his posting and his tone, even if I don't agree entirely with his conclusions.


Day 2 -

Votes Q right off the bat. Agrees with novice about the policy lynch idea. Questions Q pretty hard about several points. Like a dog with a bone. Like me against Zak... States he doesn't see novice as being scummy; considering novice is also pushing a Q case at this point, this seems natural. Comments on the Jabbz/Lewwyn back-and-forth.

Brick's pushing people to post and vote. Not as actively as Lewwyn but more active than most (like me) that day.

Says he has to go and advocates for his case on Q when he goes. I can't help but think of how this contrasts against someone else I've read recently.


Day 3 -

Pushes an AdrienIer case the same time I do. Eh, hard to think that was a bad idea at the time. Brings up thoughts on lots of people here, including suspicions on Jabbz and Novice.

Goes back to Q after revisiting his points about them. Switch feels natural. Reverses course on AdrienIer, telling him "good job" for his posts this day. Again, more town points for being willing to be wrong.

Post 808 is pretty meaty:
- responds to Gazglum re: Gaspar, says he hasn't noticed but that's because Gaspar has had the same reads as him. Will look later
- pushes Q saying that his posts are bad
- says he wants to relook at novice
- calls out novice's abrupt change to sunrise
- says he can see one or the other (Q or novice) being scum
- novice's favorite quote is here about mattimeo being lynched already

The thing is, Brick isn't the first person to post this thought in the thread. For example, Novice in Post 410 says Matt was in trouble all day. And Rowain posited that the reason zak was killed night 1 was to put suspicion on the zak voters. Still, I see novice's point about the wording used being a potential wolf slip, so scum points awarded.

But it looks like there's a gradual shift through day 3 of Brick opening his eyes to a potential scum novice. If that was staged, I have to say it was artistically done. It reads very authentic to me.


Day 4 -

The reveal. The role seems like something Commodore would write. It's plausible. I know I questioned Brick's decision to pick AdrienIer as the third piece but upon re-reading day 3 I can see where Brick started to think better of AdrienIer's posting and the choice makes more sense to me now.

Considering he was also talking about suspicion of Gaspar in day 3, it also seems natural for him to follow Lewwyn after we pushed him. To me the scum play would be to push for his own lynch. Why would he want to bus a teammate when he could use a fake claim to save Gaspar a day? I guess the goal is to gain town points ... just so he can throw them away the next day?


Sum up -

There's two stories to choose from. Either Brick is scum who's played a brilliant game -- I say brilliant because everything of his reads like it's natural. Who set novice up to push Q, who started suspecting Gaspar at the right moments and followed through appropriately yesterday. Who kept his cases consistent and also managed to comment appropriately on other sides. Who gave us day 1 waffling that sounds natural.

Or he's a town who did all those things without having to work to make them look authentic. And novice really is scum and is trying to play up Brick's reputation to try and cover for a scummier game.

In the end, I think it's highly more likely that novice is scum than Brick. I'd vote novice even without the reveal. I'm a lot more confident in Brick as town than I was before I did it. If he's really duped me that well, good for him. But I don't think he is.

[dtay]

Adrien
Most of what I said yesterday applies, I have a hard time getting a read on him and I don't think the Matt vote earns as many town points as the rest of you do. Adding things from the last day phase:

Adrien was pretty early to attack Gaspar yesterday. How town-y that is depends on when scum decided to let Gaspar die in the day, but it's certainly points in his favor.

However, he then says "Time to lead a crusade dude, make a stand and lead the town to victory. At least make a stand and curse at the town for not following you. I'll be kind and not vote for you right at the start to give you a chance to do this." which preserves flexibility and makes me skeptical of how many town points I can give him for this. Imagine a world where Saul and Lew don't subsequently jump on Gaspar, then Adrien's post here could be walked back if Gaspar subsequently started a strong push on some town player. It lets him get his town points if it looks like Gaspar is going down while not being forced to stick on Gaspar if the town doesn't make a gaspar lynch inevitable.

Is this independently scummy then? Somewhat? It's a rationally possible town position, it's just that flexible beliefs are convenient if one is scum. An unfortunate fact if one actually has flexible beliefs, and given the information constraints of this game they're probably pretty likely. (See: this very read on Adrien).

This is then followed by a novice vote. Reasonable in and of itself given brick released his scan between Gaspar post and this. But certainly convenient for scum since I don’t think it was obvious at this point that the gaspar lynch was going to happen regardless.

A few posts later says he suspects a Brick/gaspar scum pair (as did gazglum). This feels weird given his implicit trust in the Brick scan in switching to voting novice. If he is convinced of Gaspar’s scumminess (first post of the day), thinks Gaspar/Brick is likely, then why would Brick’s scan on novice sway him to vote for novice? It feels very at odds with the novice vote.

So my read of adrien is near-net-null reads until yesterday, and I find his play yesterday to be scummy in the sense it is very convenient for scum to do, though not inexplicable as town. The most straight out scummy thing is that Brick/Gaspar line while voting for novice, which is very weird to me.

Brick
The vast majority of interesting Brick activity occurred yesterday, so I’m going to focus there. If anyone’s interested in my reads of the rest of his play I could type that up but I didn’t find anything super significant.

The fundamental question is based around the scan. Does this make sense as a scum gambit? I think not. One clear motivation for scum to do it would be to save Gaspar from being lynched. Except Brick before anyone pressured him over it said: “Also, that was top notch work Gazglum. That play from Gasparilla at the end of yesterday is pretty bad. And since novice is scum it makes sense, we should lynch him tomorrow after novice today.”

That’s a pretty binding statement. It basically commits to a gaspar lynch on the next day without a lot of wiggle room left. And I don’t think scum really benefit from the ordering of hypothetical town-novice and scum-gaspar lynches, slightly increases chance gaspar could wiggle out of it but that doesn’t seem meaningful enough to risk this.

The other possible benefit is if scum feared a gaspar->brick lynch order and wanted to bring town novice with them, securing gaspar->novice->brick or novice->gaspar->brick. This also seems needless. Novice was super high on the lynch order anyway, and this plan would vastly reduce the likelihood of a gaspar->novice->non-brick lynch order, which incidentally seems very plausible and would result in scum victory (again, presuming town novice).

I don’t see it. Realistically what the gambit does at best is bind brick and novice into a suicide pact, and that only if the town lynches the town member of the pair first. Note: I’m predicting town actions with this sentence not assuming optimal town play, I notably think Adrien deserves serious consideration I just don’t think he’s going to get it.

Final note is the Gaspar vote on Brick. Scum-pair distancing? Sure maybe, but that only makes sense in a world where they consigned Gaspar to die, which negates the point of scum-brick’s fake scan in the first place.

I ultimately just don’t really find anything especially scummy about Brick’s play, and he gets town points b/c the scan-gambit doesn’t seem sensible for scum to attempt. More likely in my mind the scan is genuine.

Novice yet to come.

[dtay]

Didn't think of this in precisely the same turns but Saul's statement: "Why would he want to bus a teammate when he could use a fake claim to save Gaspar a day? I guess the goal is to gain town points ... just so he can throw them away the next day?" fits really well with how I read Brick above. A scum brick is basically setting himself up to Bus gaspar (either that same day or the next), but what is the point of bussing gaspar if he's about to blow all his town credibility with a fake scan on a town? The two don't fit together well at all.

[dtay]

If Adrien isn't near-town dtay how does that make you lean re: Novice vs. Brick?

Noticed I never responsed to this. Uhh, really hard to say. Adrien being scummier means I think there's a lower chance Brick is scum who scanned 3 townies to get a mislynch.

BUT, an Adrien/Brick scumpair not completely THAT hard to imagine, hoping for gambit of lynch town-novice -> lynch one of adrien and brick and the other comes out seeming super towny for 3 person endgame.

In fact, this really deserves to be added as a note to my evaluation of the scan. If both adrien AND brick are scum the gambit is a lot more sensible for that very reason. A pretty complicated gambit, but brick=scum already necessitates the existence of a gambit, and this one seems the most logical to me.

So you have competing pressures on the brick/novice binary... which is hard to resolve. Scummier adrien in my mind probably increases desire to vote for brick, since I think finding an explanation for WHY the scan-gambit would happen at all is really important to telling a brick=scum story.

[dtay]

I would also like to reiterate yet again lurking sunrise is becoming increasingly suspicious to me. Only substantive thing is the Jabbz arg which I found contrived and overly focused on the precise grammar of who Jabbz was addressing, when a sensible if slightly odd-to-english interpretation existed. And I dont know why this error would be scummy in particular as opposed to just awkward writing.