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WW 36 - Horrors in Kingsport [Game Thread]

Well, looks like I have to make this quick...

(March 9th, 2015, 09:04)Commodore Wrote: Just a note, I'm keeping the deadline at 2pm CST. Curse Benjamin Franklin if you dislike Daylight Savings. I sure do.

How about I curse you both, I'm in CA and this is brutal, but ok.

(March 9th, 2015, 04:34)dtay Wrote: Played a long game of Twilight Struggle (heavily recommend) actually, but anyway. I'm somewhat annoyed at how the village is about to fall for a scum gambit and Cassandra isn't being listened to, but honestly find this fun regardless. Shrug. If you expect me to muster a large amount of emotional frustration, just not in the cards no matter town or scum or sk.

That you would wait until near the deadline to post when you know you're on the block on the last day is pretty indicative of a problem in and of itself. We've been at this 2 weeks, and you've been pretty dedicated off and on, but on the last day, you're going to just *shrug* whatever? You've gotten frustrated on a number of occasions more than this, and now with the game in the balance you're pretty blase. I find that suspicious to say the least.


(March 9th, 2015, 04:34)dtay Wrote: Questions to Jabbz -
1) What is convincing you (if it's not just that you're convinced i'm scum) that Adrien is towny?
2) I'm tired atm so can't remember if you stated this in full before (i know adrien has), but why do you think brick gambit'd?

The biggest thing in favor of Adrien, is the fact that he has been under an intense limelight for a RL week at this point, and nothing solid has cum up for him being scum. He has spent two entire game days in a 1v1 against someone, and another in a 1v1v1. If nothing can be found under those circumstances, I find nothing is likely to exist.

I think Brick gambit-ed because he is Brick. From everything I can see, and have heard having chats with Azarius, he likes gamey weird things because it keeps him entertained. I think it was a poor tactical move in theory, but it worked out pretty damn well, as it muddied the water for a lot of people, and got us successfully to a double lylo. It let the wolf team keep their least experienced player, the guy with good rhetorical skills but limited time playing RB WW, in deep cover, giving him the best possible chance of winning the game. It also set up a last day where Adrien is up for the gallows, if people buy how you conclude all the arguments made to this point.

I just don't buy them.

(March 9th, 2015, 04:56)dtay Wrote: 1) Best explanation of Brick actions involves Adrien being scum.
2) Jabbz and Sunrise are almost certainly town because voting behavior
3) Adrien's claimed town points aren't very towny at all (Matt vote and Gaspar post are I believe the only meaningful ones I'm remembering atm, mention if I'm forgetting one).

1. Occam's Razor disagrees with you.
2. Thank you.
3. I disagree with you.

I don't find myself any more persuaded at this point that dtay isn't scum, or that the other two could be scum. I wish I had an hour and fifteen left instead of just 15, but ya do what you can do. GL to us.
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and fwiw (not much imo, too far back) townies Gazglum, Lewwyn, and Novice had all given me a pro-town read too...

Come on guys, how is it not suspicious Adrien keeps finding more and more iffy ways to find me scummy, because he doesn't care WHY the person whose lynched is lynched, he just needs a lynch to happen. Towns care about accuracy and whether the reasoning is consistent, wolves don't.
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(March 9th, 2015, 12:47)Jabbz Wrote: Well, looks like I have to make this quick...

(March 9th, 2015, 09:04)Commodore Wrote: Just a note, I'm keeping the deadline at 2pm CST. Curse Benjamin Franklin if you dislike Daylight Savings. I sure do.

How about I curse you both, I'm in CA and this is brutal, but ok.

I don't find myself any more persuaded at this point that dtay isn't scum, or that the other two could be scum. I wish I had an hour and fifteen left instead of just 15, but ya do what you can do. GL to us.
It is right now 12:52pm CST. So you do have another hour and change.
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Jabbz there are 1h15 left
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Jabbz Wrote:That you would wait until near the deadline to post when you know you're on the block on the last day is pretty indicative of a problem in and of itself. We've been at this 2 weeks, and you've been pretty dedicated off and on, but on the last day, you're going to just *shrug* whatever? You've gotten frustrated on a number of occasions more than this, and now with the game in the balance you're pretty blase. I find that suspicious to say the least.

there aren't hours upon hours of things to say, leaving 10 hours is plenty. Especially when I've really already said all the actual arguments I even have. Anything else is just finding scum reads for the sake of it, not because I would actually find the reads significant. And board games are rather harder to do in the morning.

Admittedly I forgot about daylight savings time.

Jabbz Wrote:The biggest thing in favor of Adrien, is the fact that he has been under an intense limelight for a RL week at this point, and nothing solid has cum up for him being scum. He has spent two entire game days in a 1v1 against someone, and another in a 1v1v1. If nothing can be found under those circumstances, I find nothing is likely to exist.

not sure why this is a point. If the gambit is based around Adrien acquiring cover (and actively fighting 1 scum), not sure why there would even be blatant scummy behavior of that sort to find. And you're misusing occam's razor. The gambit isn't the easiest/simplest way to explain Adrien's behavior, that's true. It's the easiest way to explain Brick and Adrien's joint actions.

At this point I don't think Sunrise is coming back, so well, it's all for naught. GG Adrien
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(March 9th, 2015, 12:52)Commodore Wrote: It is right now 12:52pm CST. So you do have another hour and change.

Well, I'll curse you on general principals for confusing me then. One way or another you good sir are getting cursed!
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(March 9th, 2015, 12:50)dtay Wrote: and fwiw (not much imo, too far back) townies Gazglum, Lewwyn, and Novice had all given me a pro-town read too...

Come on guys, how is it not suspicious Adrien keeps finding more and more iffy ways to find me scummy, because he doesn't care WHY the person whose lynched is lynched, he just needs a lynch to happen. Towns care about accuracy and whether the reasoning is consistent, wolves don't.

The only reason the same thing isn't happening for Adrien is he spent days on the block. If every possible motive had not already been evaluated, then he would be exposed to new arguments as well.
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You're simultaneously saying Brick likes doing weird gamey things, AND that my explanation is too... complicated and gamey?

Look to be consistent

And re: blase- I probably get more invested in just arguing for the sake of it when I think someone's being dumb, regardless of the stakes. Example: Why I got pretty into arguing with you day 2 despite it pretty much not mattering. To compare now, I think you're being a lot more reasonable right now, and I know everyone else obviously has a lot less clarity on the situation because they can't just basically dismiss 2 of their 3 suspects as pretty much town.

Basically, I don't have a lot of arguments, there isn't like a huge scum track record to go through. Adrien doesn't really have one. He has a mostly "gliding by"/null track record. I have the 1 argument, and I've made it, and apparently you're not buying it.
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(March 9th, 2015, 12:55)dtay Wrote: not sure why this is a point. If the gambit is based around Adrien acquiring cover (and actively fighting 1 scum), not sure why there would even be blatant scummy behavior of that sort to find. And you're misusing occam's razor. The gambit isn't the easiest/simplest way to explain Adrien's behavior, that's true. It's the easiest way to explain Brick and Adrien's joint actions.

At this point I don't think Sunrise is coming back, so well, it's all for naught. GG Adrien

It would require more people to be involved in a risky endeavor for Adrien to be the other scum. It is more complicated that way. The simpler answer by far is that one scum did the play, with a goal of misslynching at 2 players, leaving us at lylo. For Adrien to be involved it becomes more complex, as it requires him to be exposed to heavy analysis for day after day, and still somehow not be lynched. It's too complex.

We clearly don't see eye to eye on this point. I believe it's because you don't really believe it yourself, but you are required to represent it that way or you lose as scum. Any way you look at it, it was a good game, and town or scum, you played well.
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