WW37- For Whom the Bell Trolls

[Shadeun]

both new knowledge of who is on their team, and potential old knowledge of who *was* on their team

Does this mean you think there are more than 1 team with knowledge of other members? If you are recruited into Team A then you would only have knowledge of other teammates if you were originally on Team B.

My understanding is that having 2 teams would be unusual and therefore your statement implies some level of knowledge that we don't share?

Feel free to instruct me on WW pre-37 history here

You will note 'potential'.
Regardless, I cannot credit, even in a role madness game, the *only* scum faction being a cult.
It reduces the game to either "lynch this single person" or "it's actually impossible to win unless there is a town-aligned full vigilante who is never turned."
If there is a cult, there is a more mainstream scum faction as well, who failed to hit with their kill last night for whatever reason.

Be honest here Matt. You are a servant of Cthulhu. This isn't limited to WW37 either, is it?

[Rowain]

I wondered why Gore always appealed to scum and never tried to get town-support. I can only guess that he knew that scum outvotes town in this game ( MJW-game revisited). In light of that I award those that voiced severe discontent about the Gore-lynch some scum-points.
That we had no kill last night can have several reasons One possibility is that scum doesn't have a NK-ability or (like the abilities in NH's(?) game) the NK doesn't work.

The tally which is nearly the same as it was 23 hours ago is another sign that we have more than 2 factions. Based on the end of D1 post I would wager 3 factions but I don't know if the cult is part of it or something new.



But that speculation aside

Be honest here Matt. You are a servant of Cthulhu. This isn't limited to WW37 either, is it?

Why are you not voting for him then if you believe that?

[Lewwyn]

Lewwyn, didn't you still have a third suspect to sell us?

Yeah, but I'm not as certain about that as Fenn. I have read a couple of posts from pindo that make me feel suspicious, but then there have also been some I agreed with. I wouldn't say sell anyway. And I wouldn't vote for him today.

But, man that current vote tally is crazy. Very little consensus. Should I try to wake up earlier tomorrow morning? I'm in Kaifeng on a business trip (been travelling all day ) as adviser to a student in the national speech competition, so I could set an alarm without waking up my wife and baby at 5:30 am...

[Rowain]

And to add

Shadeun

That's the post he votes for novice:

I'm a bit pushed at work this morning but wanted to weigh in.

The pile-on Gazglum seemed swift and I don't read to much into minor inaccuracies in reasoning.

It did feel (as Gazglum pointed out) that Novice honed in on Gore. Playing a very attacking game early on, but I don't think Gazglum is scum/cultist/whatever-the-hell-is-going-on.

Will get more into things tonight hopefully (after markets close in London). But for now: Novice

Spends a lot of time questioning others credibility and would like to see some more discussion from him on the cult and thoughts. Very open to changing my mind though.

Meta: I'm confused as to what happened over night (and if we can do anything about it?) maybe someone was a seer or something? (not my power). Seems everything revealed so far just increases ideas of how strange the game setup really is.

Followed by

This town is an angry one.

I really see very little evidence and 2-3 different people playing defense to no ones satisfaction.

In fact, the conversation is so meta that you guys are debating the correct use of OMGUS/debating the randomness of day 1 voting because there has been no new information except the cult reveal overnight.

Question is, being noob, who do you recruit (if thats how it works) from town on night 1? How does this change their (the recruitee) interaction with others?

This is what I'll think about while I wait for the markets to close and I can go home....

and some more about recruiting and the above mentioned shot at Matt.

That is his looking deeper. That is simple parroting Gaz on novice and sailing by with no hunting done at all. He might be a newb on this board that doesn't mean he couldn't be a coldblooded killer.

[Shadeun]

Be honest here Matt. You are a servant of Cthulhu. This isn't limited to WW37 either, is it?

Why are you not voting for him then if you believe that?

This is a joke. Hence the "Its not limited to WW37 either"

Also: I think Matts implication of a second team and my question of how he would know that is maybe the only serious bit of information to come out of these 42 pages of chat. What exactly have you contributed? Why are you one of the town?

re: Novice, as I said previously I am open to changing my mind but find no one more compelling at this point. I'd probably cancel my vote but don't think you can do that?

Also: your reason for voting for me seems equally weak. "He said some things" (one of which I think was a good point) and "he also questioned the level of information in the game at this point and what we learned from the cult text".

Tell me Rowain: who do you think is better trying to understand the structure of the game and who is scum than me?

[Gazglum]

Well I've made a case on Novice, I feel pretty good about it. But if other people don't want to join me by the end of the day, I would be willing to move Fenn. Two or three posts today puts him in the scummy middle ground of being clearly engaged and aware of what is going on, but not actually taking any leads. And he's pushing candidates based on other people's arguments.

Also,

Much as it tempts me to go for Lewwyn, novice looks worse - his defence against Gazglum's case is unconvincing and I don't like the way he voted for me - using the exact same argument as last time, except now there's a handy train to leap on.[/color]

Seems to lack a bit of self-awareness - aren't you voting for Novice again, except now with train to leap on? At least a 2 person train (me and Shadeun), whereas when Novice voted you, you only had 1 vote.

What do you think about your reasons for your Day 1 vote on Novice? What's your opinion of his play overall, now?

As for Pindicator, I tihnk he has felt pretty towny.

[Gazglum]

What do you think about your reasons for your Day 1 vote on Novice? What's your opinion of his play overall, now?

This wasn't quite clear. My thoughts were that Fenn's phrasing on Novice made it sound like he was just turning his eye to him now. But Fenn was voting Novice at the end of Day 1 until he switched to break the tie, and now his first vote for Day 2 is Novice again. But there is so sense of continuity, that he's picking up the same thread.

In fact, Fenn.

[Rowain]

Also: your reason for voting for me seems equally weak. "He said some things" (one of which I think was a good point) and "he also questioned the level of information in the game at this point and what we learned from the cult text".

The problem is you have no other content in your posts. D1 you happily parked your vote on Mattimeo today you park it on novice and that's it. You babble happily, friendly with several players making funny comments but hunting scum you do not.

[Shadeun]

Also: your reason for voting for me seems equally weak. "He said some things" (one of which I think was a good point) and "he also questioned the level of information in the game at this point and what we learned from the cult text".

The problem is you have no other content in your posts. D1 you happily parked your vote on Mattimeo today you park it on novice and that's it. You babble happily, friendly with several players making funny comments but hunting scum you do not.

I think reasons for voting for Matt d1 have been done to death. See my previous posts. I think there are others (novice, who seems content to stay on the back foot and never answer questions directly, might hint towards scum still)

Also: I suspect my background (maths-y not write-y) makes me less inclined to switch my vote around until I've been made more certain. All we got out of d1 was a mis-lynch (or at least we didn't hit) and the information since then has been sparse. I suppose I can make up some weak cases against people based on "feels like towny PERSON X" but thats a waste of time.

Voting 6 times on day1, as you did Rowain, including a OMGUS vote for Agnes and a vote for me is not scum hunting. I'd suggest you have a think about whether what I am trying to achieve has some merit (trying to understand the game // who might be banding together).

So it seems my intuition to not to swing my vote around seems correct given the over-voting that goes on (including by you).

I think your response after the cult reveal was telling

But all this speculation doesn't really help to lynch scum.

Actually, this is exactly the kind of discussion that should be had early on in the day. Deflecting from the cult and making this so much about 'the scum' makes me think that you, like matt, suspected multiple teams early. Which you only know if you're a member of cult/scum. I find you overzealous.

My thoughts on others:

• Novice, Matt and Rowain all seem quick to jump on the noob. But maybe thats just the way things work. So be it.
  
• Agnes & Jabbz voted for each other d1 when neither were ever under any threat and then voted together quickly early d2. Maybe coincidence. Maybe not. Maybe....
  
• dtay could speak more but I dont really see whats up here. I think he might be a solid lynch - but with less reason than others
  
• Gazglum seems to just be talking to hear the sound of the might gaz voice. Nothing new there (he being the only player i have any background with).
  
• Lewwyn might be a good lynch if only to get someone who seems to be quite clever & engaged without ever risking much or being accused
  

I'm going to hold my vote a few more hours and try and get some work done but my vote will go to one of : Matt, Jabbz, Agnes or Novice.

[Gazglum]

Wow, good post Shadeun.