WW38: The Story of the Stories

[pindicator]

Pindicator also comes to mind. Useless vote while he was online at the time of the lynch. Generally unhelpful other than to bother me when I suspected him. Pretty nice chance of phony, now that I think of it.

I read a lot of good stuff by Ichabod day 1 and then there's stuff like this that really does make me second-guess my town take on him. My "useless vote", if you go back and look, was the same read he had on Shadeun - that the guy's posts were bad.

And I was not online. If the forum said I was it was my phone, but I was at work and in a meeting. I skimmed the posts that happened when I was asleep, made a quick post, and then went to work. It's these little exaggerations that are bugging me Ichabod.

Like this one:

It's awful, really. When you start talking about people, you start caring for them and then it's hard to vote to lynch them. I really don't like Pindicator's play, his sounding very defensive and he's getting aggravated really easily, like when Gore suspected him (which he misunderstood) and Bob suspected him. I hate when people do this, because I start to feel bad ans sorry about voting them.

If you go back and look at Goreripper's post:

I agree with all of that up until the pindicator part.

And I agree with the argumentation of the wastrel up until he insults the wench AND the donkey!

Novice or his pet beast!

Even after Goreripper saying he meant zakalwe, I still read "pet beast" as him referring to me, because he just referenced to me as a donkey. I am the only character that is a beast, and to say that I'm being "overly defensive" because I read it as an attack on me is either confirmation bias or an intentional exaggeration.


Lewwyn, you seem to suspect Ichabod. I didn't catch anything on my readthrough today, so what is it that you see as being off about him?

Yeah, I'll lynch novice. Jowy has been really quiet today; I remember something about a claim from him but I need to go back and re-read it. Has he done anything else today?

[pindicator]

Lewwyn, you seem to suspect Ichabod. I didn't catch anything on my readthrough today, so what is it that you see as being off about him?

I wrote this poorly. What I mean is I didn't see the case that seems to he intentionally bussed Gazglum to gain town cred. Is that what your suspicions are or is there something else?

[Meiz]

A lot of people making Novice seem pretty clear cut case (Gringr, Lewwyn) but I dont quite see how thats better than Mattimeo (odds-wise, is there any other way to vote though?) at this point. Novice did make some votes with very little reasoning that went against the grain however.

Vote: Mattimeo for now with Krill in second place. This seems the highest probabilistically as I think near 80% chance that matt would be scum in that neighbour pair and maybe 50% chance that scum/town pair exists. Therefore, 40% chance versus 25% random lynch seems worth it at this point.

Additional note: You guys set the bar pretty high (only my second game) for what is seen as good play and the terminology. I think experienced players (at least near the start of the game) should be more descriptive of how they think a person usually is and how they are deviating. Otherwise your votes "PLAYER X doesnt feel like usual TOWNY/SCUM way PLAYER X plays" gives you a huge benefit in terms of being able to claim shit and progress through the game. Mainly because other (experienced) players will understand and nod their heads behind the screen if they agree / realise. An effort here would be appreciated by me (and others I'm sure) in the second game.

Best example was the person who voted Novice saying "anyone feeling deja vous" as their reason (after some good reasons had been made however).

That last comment was made by me and referred to the fact that novices game so far is quite similar to his standard scum games. You're right, it's impossible for you to get that read, and there is no way I will start to dig out examples from the past games to prove my point. The read is his lack of activity / quality of reads. So in this case you just have to trust my word, which can be hard in a WW game

Nothing wrong with wall of texts, although I nowdays despise meta-reads (been burned by them too many times in the past). BRick is notoriously famous for breaking these meta reads, so these percentage calculations are completely pointless in my eyes. If you think Matt plays scummy, then fine (I disagree), but do not base your vote on these metagame reads.

Btw. I do not understand you Krill lying read. IMO it's very obvious that Krill jailed Lewwyn & wolves targeted Lewwyn with the night kill. Adrien diverted both of these actions to Pindicator, which did not affect the result. So I don't see where you get the conclusion that Krill must be lying.

[Lewwyn]

well me saying Matt is 50:50 doesn't mean he comes off normally as about 1/5 left are scum here. I think matt is bigger chance of being scum, however, you might be correct in me weighing chance of town/scum pair to heavily? Weren't you guys paired together day 1 before Gaz could've linked you up? Am I going to be the 4th person to assume something about game mechanics that is in fact random?

re C: 25% is really shit math on my part (i thought 3/15 = 1/5 = 25%....) actually 20%, which serves my purpose more. I am trying to find the best person to lynch and just representing it statistically. Everything we do is probabilistic, thinking otherwise is just foolish.

First Gaz is separate from Matt and I. He is not the one that put us together neither does he put other people together. He just picks a random person each night and becomes their neighbor for the next day.

Let's take a look again at that 25% silliness:
Are you going to vote for me? Are you going to vote for Ichabod? Are you going to vote for Fenn? How about rowain or goreripper? Meiz? Will you vote for youself?

Based on their play, actions and voting I'm willing to place several of those people down as villagers. I will not vote for them. Let's say, conservatively, 4 of those people I believe are villagers wholly and completely (including myself). I've already narrowed the pool down from 15 to 11. 3 out of 11 is already better. From there we can narrow the pool more based on interactions and reads.

When you say "serves my purpose more" that throws all sorts of red flags to me. It seems like you're trying to justify things or again twist numbers to support a viewpoint. It's disingenuous.

Maybe its best if I just do a list with 1 line reasons like everyone else in the future? not how I like to roll though

That's a bit self-pitying and silly. When did I ever say anything about the format of your post. Whether its one liners or multiple paragraphs I'm looking at content and what you are actually saying. Complaining like this seems like you're trying to garner sympathy.

[Lewwyn]

Lewwyn, you seem to suspect Ichabod. I didn't catch anything on my readthrough today, so what is it that you see as being off about him?

I wrote this poorly. What I mean is I didn't see the case that seems to he intentionally bussed Gazglum to gain town cred. Is that what your suspicions are or is there something else?

No, I actually feel really good about Ichabod. I started feeling really good about his contributions halfway past where he claimed it was scummy that I switched off him while saying he was suspicious for switching off of me. But I haven't felt that way for a long time. He's done very good scum hunt work. You can check the neighbor log again. I wrote that list of reads during last night and I didn't punctuate the Ichabod note very well.

[Lewwyn]

Btw. I do not understand you Krill lying read. IMO it's very obvious that Krill jailed Lewwyn & wolves targeted Lewwyn with the night kill. Adrien diverted both of these actions to Pindicator, which did not affect the result. So I don't see where you get the conclusion that Krill must be lying.

Yes this.

[Shadeun]

That last comment was made by me and referred to the fact that novices game so far is quite similar to his standard scum games. You're right, it's impossible for you to get that read, and there is no way I will start to dig out examples from the past games to prove my point. The read is his lack of activity / quality of reads. So in this case you just have to trust my word, which can be hard in a WW game

Thanks. Understand its pretty unrealistic for you to dig out references. I was just venting frustration there. I suppose its frustration mainly at not having these kid of references myself to market people against.

Btw. I do not understand you Krill lying read. IMO it's very obvious that Krill jailed Lewwyn & wolves targeted Lewwyn with the night kill. Adrien diverted both of these actions to Pindicator, which did not affect the result. So I don't see where you get the conclusion that Krill must be lying.

Krill: I thought Lewwyn confirmed he wasn't jailed? Middle of page 60. doesn't that mean Krill lied about Jailing lewwyn?

On calling my vote a meta read: maybe I have misunderstood/miguessed the odds of a scum/town pair? Anyway, as I also pointed out Matt did blow a once off kill ability on Zak which was strange/scummy AND lurked heavily day 1/didnt contribute but was clearly active in QT.

[Lewwyn]

Krill: I thought Lewwyn confirmed he wasn't jailed? Middle of page 60. doesn't that mean Krill lied about Jailing lewwyn?

Adrien claimed earlier that he switched me and pindi, so pindicator was jailed not me and any action directed at me became directed at pindi.

[novice]

So we have two vig claims (one confirmed) and two roleblocker claims (one confirmed town). If we're lynching based on meta that seems more relevant than the neighbors thing.

Matt, if you thought the brothers were scum, why not kill me whom more people suspected? Feels like you're going for a 2-for-1.

[Meiz]

Krill: I thought Lewwyn confirmed he wasn't jailed? Middle of page 60. doesn't that mean Krill lied about Jailing lewwyn?

The jail was directed to Pindicator, thus Lewwyn was not jailed.

On calling my vote a meta read: maybe I have misunderstood/miguessed the odds of a scum/town pair?

As neighbors right? I've been a town/town neighbor before. This is nothing to base your read for IMO.