WW38: The Story of the Stories

[Meiz]

Yes!

[Molach]

[Bobchillingworth]

I already made my case, facts on the ground haven't changed since then. I am neither 100% sure you are guilty nor am I looking to draw votes for the sake of saving novice, so I'm not going to start shouting from the rooftops.


There are def. some people I think are scummier than others, but I am not certain that any given person is scum.


Although I kind of mocked Rowain about it in my last post, I am tempted to vote for Jowy. Problem with that is the case against him is entirely couched in meta- that his poetry power is more likely to be assigned to scum, and his roleblocking is redundant with what Zak had. Which could be true, sure, but we've already established that this game started with a pile of neighbors, so redundancy isn't out of the question.


Although hmm, if Krill's telling the truth then that's three roles who can block night actions. That seems pretty excessive, even for 17 players. And what possible village role does enforced poetry serve? Eh, Jowy.

[pindicator]

If I'm reading that right and you tell people's alignment based on a conjugal visit then Brick just gave the best role power backstory ever.

[novice]

A double-voting, dayvigging, grammatically challenged barbarian? Dirk Gently had been procrastinating opening his fridge for months now, but even his worst nightmares hadn't prepared him for the horror that was hiding inside.

Well I was going to wait a bit to see who stayed and who left my wagon before pointing this out, but really the only people benefitting from resolving my situation now are scum. It's like the Goreripper survivor lynch a few games ago, everybody knew that lynching him was wrong, and yeah - everybody was scum. It's really simple - if I'm town I won't survive long, scum will have to deal with me. At which point any results I've had time to share will be confirmed. If I'm scum, hunt down my scum buddies first. Heck, hunt with the premise that I'm scum, if you're so blinded by confirmation bias.

Wait, wait wait. Why on earth would you want to kill me? You should be wanting to keep me alive, so that you can give me a conjugal visit tonight.

Grignr

[Bobchillingworth]

Hah, so you're both an absorber AND a seer? That's like the most ridiculous role ever

[novice]

Tally as of post 685:

10 votes: Novice (Meiz, Lewwyn, AdrienIer, Goreripperx2, Mattimeo, pindicator, Jowy, Fenn, Ichabod)
2 votes: Mattimeo (Molach, Shadeun)
2 votes: Jowy (Rowain, Bobchillingworth)
1 votes: Goreripper (novice)

Voting history:

Novice

Novice

Novice

Novice

Mattimeo

Mattimeo

Mattimeo

Krill

Shadeun

Krill

Zakalwe

Krill

Krill

Novice

Pindicator

Mattimeo

Novice

unvote

Krill

Zakalwe

Novice

Pindicator

Bobchillingworth

Zakalwe

Novice

Novice

Mattimeo

Novice

Jowy

Novice

Novice

Novice

Jowy

Jowy.

Goreripper

[novice]

Hah, so you're both an absorber AND a seer? That's like the most ridiculous role ever

Yeah... Meiz, what do you think about that one?

So Grignr is about to pull the trigger on a second daykill. This is crazy but I'll share it since I may be dead any minute. Maybe scum have daykills and town has nightkills? That could explain my role.

[novice]

So to elaborate that would mean Grignr and Mattimeo are scum buddies.

[AdrienIer]

Krill now that it's clear Lewwyn wasn't actually jailed and yet no kills happenned, what's your read on him ? Are you joining the majority (myself included) that have him as obvtown ?

I don't get why you feel Lewwyn would be obv. town. Wouldn't it make more sense from a meta standpoint for the villager in a villager / scum neighbor pair to have a day kill? Gives them a dilemma about whether to shoot their neighbor or not, based on what is said in the QT. Existence of a scum neighborizer doesn't = both claimed other neighbors are likely village, in my mind.


This is actually a point in Lewwyn's favor, but my understanding is that it shouldn't matter if Pin was jailed instead, any kill directed at Lewwyn would have been deflected to Pin along with the jailing, so even if the attack bounced off Pin it was still *meant* for Lewwyn, and Pin would have died if Krill didn't try to jail Lewwyn.

I don't see why it would necessarily be a villager/scum neighbor pair. The dilemma about shooting them if you have a doubt still exists.

I strongly believe Lewwyn was targeted last night and the kill (deflected to Pindicator) was blocked by the jail. It's one of the most straightforward scenarios, and the one I had in mind when I switched him (pindicator would have died but it wouldn't have been as bad as the person in my town column dying). And really lots of people are saying his switch wasn't the most important factor in Gaz's lynch but a switch is still a significant change in the tally, with a change of +2 for Gaz. It could have been a bus, but it still made the difference in the end due to Shadeun's last vote.