Clan 9 From Outer Space

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Any time. FFH really is a daunting mod, but worth the effort to dive in. I'll never understand how Mardoc switched back to base from it (though with the duel league I think we might win him back :quiet: )


Anyway, no new turns, but i wanted to to note that this is actually the first turn barb peace would've triggered naturally...25t after I popped it. So yeah, I screwed up there. Still, hard to know how this game would've turned out if I'd delayed till the "optimal" time - that event has been really transformative, given me information on everyone and meeting them, led to circumnavigation, led to NS's map, allowed the scouting out of some of my recent city locations. And meeting everyone has made it all so interesting. So yeah, I can't bring myself to regret it.

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Ooh, only 5 posts off Northstar! Anyone have anything vaguely related to mention so I can beat him once and for all?

[Bobchillingworth]

I wouldn't stress over starting with free entropy I. 2 exp does not take long to accumulate. Only issue is if you're anticipating also giving your shamen Mobility I and don't think you can manage 5 exp before they reach the frontlines (which makes sense, but do you even have HBR, or plan to research it anytime soon, or have a means of getting it on your axemen as well?)


Sorry if the answers to all of the above are obvious, my FFH attention is pretty much being spent on my own games atm. If you are going to get Mob I on your Axes via a 2 exp civic, then you only need 3 more for your shamen to get entropy I, so it still might not matter much if they start with it or not. Much bigger deal getting the final 5 exp for magedom.

[Bobchillingworth]

Also I finally offloaded on North via email. Fucking idiot accused me of renaming a duel turn and sending him the wrong one twice, both counts being completely incorrect and the latter easily disproved by scrolling three inches up the email chain.

[Bobchillingworth]

I wouldn't stress over starting with free entropy I. 2 exp does not take long to accumulate. Only issue is if you're anticipating also giving your shamen Mobility I and don't think you can manage 5 exp before they reach the frontlines (which makes sense, but do you even have HBR, or plan to research it anytime soon, or have a means of getting it on your axemen as well?)

Wait what am I talking about, adepts get a free promotion anyway.


Yeah, I wouldn't worry at all about starting with Entropy I. Enchanted blade is waaay more important.

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Yeah, don't worry about it. At this stage in the game it's quite hard to convey everything that's going on anyways - the Dreylin move, for example, I only just thought of this turn.

Northstar and his dramatics...he posted somewhere else that he wants Lion to cover for him in 39, so maybe we'll finally be free of the drama.

[Bobchillingworth]

You know, there's a difference between being patient with someone and being a Pollyanna :P



Maybe, if we're really lucky, he'll be so enraged by people calling him out on his petulant bullshit that he'll leave and we can forget he ever darkened our little corner of the internet.

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Pollyanna? I don't know that term.

But yeah, I don't think I can claim to have been the most patient about him at this stage. More patient than wise, perhaps, but I've given up by now.


He sounded like he was backing out altogether, which would honestly be nice. Doubt he'll leave without getting the last word...probably in this thread, too.

[Mardoc]

One question, how are you apparently so far ahead of everyone? I'm just judging by score and the ridiculous amount of population you listed a few posts back -- with only four players that's a huge lead.

Partly it's the Clan, as mentioned. Partly it's the other civs, both management and choices. All three are on the weaker end of the options, and are designed as late game monsters, with their tradeoff being early game slowness.

I wouldn't be too quick to emulate HK's "declare on the world" approach- that managed to earn him the best-coordinated dogpile in RB history (with AI diplo, no less!) and lost him the game :P

It might have worked against a less competent opposition.

Any time. FFH really is a daunting mod, but worth the effort to dive in. I'll never understand how Mardoc switched back to base from it (though with the duel league I think we might win him back :quiet: )

It's broadening. Nice to have games with different priorities going on, makes me think about my assumptions. I still haven't figured out how to REX, though . Might end up coming back to EitB just to have something I know how to play.

Pollyanna? I don't know that term.

Over-optimism/always thinking things will turn out for the best. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollyanna

But yeah, I don't think I can claim to have been the most patient about him at this stage. More patient than wise, perhaps, but I've given up by now.

I think, honestly, your transgression is about on the same level as him complaining about the Clans 'brokenness' all over the place. Extremely unlikely to actually affect the game - but technically against the rules. I wish you hadn't called him on that, but it's too late now.

[Qgqqqqq]

I think, honestly, your transgression is about on the same level as him complaining about the Clans 'brokenness' all over the place. Extremely unlikely to actually affect the game - but technically against the rules. I wish you hadn't called him on that, but it's too late now.

Really? Oh nuts

Personally, I didn't and don't think that there was any wrongdoing going on - this has been going on since Drama, or maybe a few turns earlier, and mostly consisted of us each messing with each other, or complaining about the other success. We're each others main competition, but I wouldn't say either of us is really trying to manipulate the other or anything, nor that it can or will have any effect. And each time it's been the "wounded" party, so to speak, that's initiated the fact that they were going to get the wonder/GP shortly - not fishing for info, and any that's gained is given not sought.

Idk, obviously I'm biased. But I didn't think that sort of a thing was against the rules (it's the sorta thing I've seen everywhere, and probably even less than some discussions I've had about other games - such as with BGN in PB18) and I thought that sort of email banter was okay. But if I've crossed a line, well, I'll apologize.

Whereas Northstar constantly pushing the agenda on how broken the Clan are in this specific game - I get that he probably wasn't intentionally trying to cheat/diplo, but that focus and pointing it out vocally (and starting at a time before I was even really ahead) is something that I think probably has coloured my relations with other civs somewhat, and placed others focus on me from an early stage. Not enough that I'd complain about if he wasn't doing it so blatantly, but enough so that I do think it's noticeable.

And let's be clear - if Northstar had emailed me some 20, 30t into the game saying something like "Man, the Clan are overpowered, aren't they? " I'd have responded and chatted to him about some of their pros and cons and how they're advantages in this setup (but not shared everything, of course). And even though I would've been watching what I said, to make sure I didn't give away my own plans or anything, I would've considered that alright. I would only have been hurt as much as I chose to be (by engaging in that discussion), and most importantly, it wouldn't pass beyond us to the other players. If he'd emailed me and said the Amurites were overpowered, OTOH, I would've found that to be too far.

Idk. Maybe my view is the wrong one to have. But for me the thing that was wrong about Northstar is that he'd shared information/opinions about another player publically. If he'd shared them about his own (for example, posting the following in his duel: "as I'm finding in '39, Elohim reliquaries unhealth can be a big disadvantage to building them" then, IMO that would've been fine. Another example - if I posted when I got circumnavigation, that would've been fine (IMO). If someone else had posted about it, that would've been inappropriate.

Do you get where (IMO) the distinction is? It's about disadvantaging someone else, spreading opinions/facts on them. Sharing them about yourself is IMO okay. Sharing about other players is too far.


Lurkers, do you think what Dreylin and I did was too far? Should we stop?