WW39. Escape from the Congo.

[Shadeun]

I don't like any of the below

Zak handing out town points sounded odd to me too Rowain.

About the latter Zak says novice wouldn't be enjoying himself so much if he was scum, do the other vets agree ?

Thanks for trying to make things happen Gazglum. But if people decide that they'd rather do a lazy day one you won't be able to do much. All four voters on me are suspicious in my mind, you summed up what's to be said about Rowain, I said what I had to say about Zak, Lewwyn basically threw his vote without much reasoning while knowing he wouldn't be able to change it and Shadeun's contribution was to sum up stuff about people and seemingly arbitrarily choosing me as the best lynch of the lot. Really ?

However, you do come across a bit better on rereading, as posted above maybe you are just more conversational. Clearly most people are coming up your side today and Zak comes across worse in reading. And maybe I'm biased because I felt used by you last game :P

So my vote for now I will change to Mattimeo because if he is wolf, and we dont get him today (or let him go quiet) we are fkd.

If Mattimeo is town then I think we can recover and win. Any other mislynch of town tonight and, given all the combinations with Mattimeo possible, tomorrow will likely see Mattimeo hang. In this scenario town likely loses a 3 vs 2 on day 4 unless everyone is together.

So basically: I am pretty confident that we know how the pairs will work if Matt hangs and is innocent. Zak/Row, Adrien/Gaz, Adrien/Zak or (from your perspective) Me + Zak. This gives us some clear paths to work with over 2 days.

[Rowain]

How do I work in other pairs? You just put me with Zak but no others?

If I do that and then think about possible scum-pairs I fond that Shadeun fits with everyone.

As you see I say that you being scum works with everyone. You fit with Gaz, novice, Matt too.

Rowain, given your (usual) ability to scum hunt and my previous statements about wanting revenge. Don't you think you would've died night 1 if I was scum?

Not necessarily. You have a teammate who might have different opinion or prefer me alive over Lewwyn alive at least for today.
" Where I scum I would totally do xy". would be a rather strange way to play scum don't you think?

[Shadeun]

" Where I scum I would totally do xy". would be a rather strange way to play scum don't you think?

I agree it would be a strange way to play scum!

[Gazglum]

You don't think Matt is a better vote, Rowain?

[Jabbz]

Tally as of post 184:

4 votes: Mattimeo (Gazglum, AdrienIer, novice, Shadeun)
1 votes: AdrienIer (zakalwe)
1 votes: Shadeun (Rowain)

Voting history:

Mattimeo

Mattimeo

AdrienIer

AdrienIer

Mattimeo

Shadeun

Mattimeo

[Shadeun]

If I do that and then think about possible scum-pairs I fond that Shadeun fits with everyone.

As you see I say that you being scum works with everyone. You fit with Gaz, novice, Matt too.

Well in the part of that quote you cut off you just explained how zak + I work. So I was just asking you to move from 1/5 to 5/5 people (excluding yourself and self partnership as partner options).

- I think if you can make a case for Gaz+Shadeun then you can make a case for almost any pair. There's a few interesting relationships between people going on in this game but seems to be scant reason to think Gaz + me are high probability?
- Mattimeo you can make a case for with everyone (that is in fact my case on lynching him/forcing him to properly participate)
- I can kind of see Shadeun+Novice given how I've said he's my strongest town lean and think he's cleared after he comitted "lewwyn and bob" to forum and then lewwyn died in the night. Could be a double game but at that point if Novice was scum then then he woud've probably jumped on adrien earlier.

Why do you not think Mattimeo is a better strategic vote for now? Care to explain your sudden town lean on Adrien?

As for your comment on Zak+Me: Zak can kinda work well with a couple people also: Rowain/Zak combo the switch Zak's makes huge sense and you guys keep easing on/off him as the 'easy' lynch (as you have just eased off).

[Shadeun]

I'm seemingly alone here so feel my last post wasn't very clear (true of many post's I suspect):

This

Well in the part of that quote you cut off you just explained how zak + I work. So I was just asking you to move from 1/5 to 5/5 people (excluding yourself and self partnership as partner options).

should read:
Well in the part of that quote you cut off you just explained how zak + I work. So I was just asking how you go from 1/5 to 5/5 people (excluding yourself and self partnership as partner options).

[Rowain]

@Shadeun

I did explicitly talk about zak and you because that is one of the few scumpairs with zak where zaks actions do make sense and work. zak + Mattimeo doesn't work in that regard.

You + (Matt, novice, Gaz ) make no problem at all with the actions done on D1.

Matt+ zak or Matt + novice doesn't really work in that regard.

[Shadeun]

@Shadeun

I did explicitly talk about zak and you because that is one of the few scumpairs with zak where zaks actions do make sense and work. zak + Mattimeo doesn't work in that regard.

You + (Matt, novice, Gaz ) make no problem at all with the actions done on D1.

Matt+ zak or Matt + novice doesn't really work in that regard.

w.r.t. zaks actions making sense:
Why does Zak + Matt not work "in that regard" and Zak + (say) Gaz works?

You seem to be calling Zak out in a roundabout way and not matt - while maintaing your vote on me.

You seem to want to push me + others as a better option than Matt (who has said nothing for ages). In any other game you would be screaming bloody murder.

I willingly admit I don't get zak's switch. But there are bigger things sticking out here.

I still don't like AdrienIer's play overall, but for the moment a failure to get something out of Matt imperils the ability to win at all.

You (in prior games) actually taught me (indirectly) about the benefits of getting people to talk so they have something on record to catch out.

On that basis: why not Matt now?

[zakalwe]

Since everybody has switched to discussing scum pairs I guess I will do the same. I think AdrienIer + Novice makes a lot of sense holistically speaking, closely followed by AdrienIer + Gazglum. Maybe AdrienIer + Shadeun works too, but I'm not getting scum vibes from Shadeun today.

Gazglum, I suspected Bob yesterday so I lynched him. I'm suspecting AdrienIer today, so I'm voting to lynch him. You can try to construct a contradiction out of that by spamming me with nearly-identical questions, or focus on something more productive.

Rowain, by staying on AdrienIer, I did get to decide whether he or Bob should hang. Why would I switch to 3:3:2 to "ensure that one of them would hang"? That makes no sense.

I did not mean to say earlier that I was equally uneasy with all the AdrienIer voters. I was most uneasy with Lewwyn, and a little uneasy with Rowain and Shadeun. And before anyone asks, my opinions have evolved since then. Shadeun didn't really articulate a proper reason for voting for AdrienIer. But he was more eloquent during the night, pointing out (in a very towny way) why I made a bad call by switching to Bob.

If AdrienIer flips innocent then I would likely turn back to Rowain and Shadeun. Gazglum and Novice could still be scum, but I mainly suspect them as AdrienIer's buddy.

As people have been pointing out, Mattimeo is compatible with just about anyone, except probably not AdrienIer. Lynching him for purely strategic reasons feels risky to me, but maybe you can argue that it's necessary. We should still keep discussing who the scum are in the event that he is innocent, though. Ideally he feels better and makes a convincing comeback.