WW39. Escape from the Congo.

[Shadeun]

GG Novice

[novice]

I got off easy.
Good luck everyone. Thanks for hosting, Jabbz.

[Gazglum]

Adrien.

Well played Novice.

Rowain, I'm sorry I was such a smart-arse to you by the way. You responded with a very good humour given the situation.

[AdrienIer]

Well the only one I trusted is gone. GG novice.

Mattimeo needs to start playing now that we can't afford another death.

[zakalwe]

I finally have some time to sit down with this again.

I wasn't so certain that Novice was innocent, so in that sense I'm glad he's dead. Shadeun was a stronger town lean for me. Need to reassess that now, of course.

Zak, I know you're bored of my questions, but here you mention scum pairs you suspect:

Since everybody has switched to discussing scum pairs I guess I will do the same. I think AdrienIer + Novice makes a lot of sense holistically speaking, closely followed by AdrienIer + Gazglum. Maybe AdrienIer + Shadeun works too, but I'm not getting scum vibes from Shadeun today.

You don't mention Rowain here. Does this mean you don't see him in a scum pair?

But then you say,

If AdrienIer flips innocent then I would likely turn back to Rowain and Shadeun. Gazglum and Novice could still be scum, but I mainly suspect them as AdrienIer's buddy.

So with Adrien innocent, what is the Rowain scenario?

Starting to slip my mind by now what exactly I was thinking, but yeah, I don't think I had Rowain paired with anyone specific in my mind. Just someone to reexamine if AdrienIer flipped town.

Zak's mistake

In a matter of 5 minutes, coming from asking novice to vote for me and not Bob

Why not AdrienIer?

to letting me live by switching to Bob

Took you long enough. Bob.

is actually more damning than the vote alone (which I can't complain about, I'm alive thanks to that).

Therefore I call this post during the night complete BS :

Rowain, I was waiting for AdrienIer to give me options by moving his vote. I didn't think anyone stood out as a clear mislynch so I wasn't willing to take so many chances. As for why I was still willing to move my vote, I didn't have a ton of confidence in any of my fellow AdrienIer voters

I think you wanted a clear majority of people on me (would have been 5/2/1/1 if novice had joined you and I hadn't moved last minute) to leave less trace. Because novice moving to me would have clearly reduced your options. Then, realizing that it wasn't going to happen you decided to keep me as easy meat for D2. Zak

This is a bad attack, which pushed me up into the lead quite opportunistically. Pretty much the only way you could take my "Why not AdrienIer?" question as a renewed push to lynch AdrienIer is if you're just diving back to skim for quotes that you can use without actually considering their context. And the conclusion is a stretch and a half. I couldn't get a clear enough majority (4:3) on AdrienIer so I decided to switch to make it 4:3 on Bob instead? Because AdrienIer is easy meat? Compared to Bob?

So yeah, AdrienIer continues to stand out for bad attacks, I think. AdrienIer/Gazglum still seems logical, and Gazglum was quick to get his vote in today. AdrienIer is also back to voting for Mattimeo, though. His illogical attack on day 1 was against Mattimeo, so it's possible the reason it didn't actually make sense is that he was just fudging the logic while attacking his buddy. Not sure why he would turn on his buddy at that particular time, though. But something was off there, and sticking his neck out just to grab towncred by defending Bob would also be kind of arbitrary.

Following that thread, Mattimeo was up to a big lead in the middle of day 2, and when pushed into committing to something he launched an attack on AdrienIer and me. And towards the end of the day, Rowain was set to hang, but AdrienIer had sudden doubts and put his vote back on Matt. And then Matt appeared with this:

I was all set to start agreeing with you, Gaz, but then Adrien showed his true colours

I have a bad feeling about this. Matt

current:
3 votes: Rowain (novice, Shadeun, Gazglum)
2 votes: AdrienIer (zakalwe, Mattimeo)
1 vote: Mattimeo (AdrienIer)
1 vote: novice (Rowain)

So essentially, he's saying that "I'm ready to lynch Rowain, just give me one moment to reaffirm my suspicion against AdrienIer first".

AdrienIer, what gave you the bad feeling about lynching Rowain?

[AdrienIer]

AdrienIer, what gave you the bad feeling about lynching Rowain?

Pure intuition. In past games (it happened 2 or 3 times before) I've felt very bad about the lynch that was about to happen and that I was pushing. Even worse than the usual uncertainty. Every time it ended up a mislynch. Last time was when I followed Brick in 36, lynching novice. So when I felt it again just before deadline here I felt I should listen to my subconscious mind. In the end Gazglum pushed me to reconsider and because I had a slight town lean on him I accepted.

[Shadeun]

AdrienIer, what gave you the bad feeling about lynching Rowain?

Pure intuition. In past games (it happened 2 or 3 times before) I've felt very bad about the lynch that was about to happen and that I was pushing. Even worse than the usual uncertainty. Every time it ended up a mislynch. Last time was when I followed Brick in 36, lynching novice. So when I felt it again just before deadline here I felt I should listen to my subconscious mind. In the end Gazglum pushed me to reconsider and because I had a slight town lean on him I accepted.

To be honest AdrienIer your switching and switching back to Rowain was the scummiest bit of hedging I've ever seen. One thing Gazglum told me before I joined this community is that go on the feeling that if town wins, you win, no matter if you die. Rowain, who was not to be lying about 'the game needing a bit less Rowain', was playing a very different game to how I had previously seen him and that was the reason for the lynch. It was ultimately wrong but, no point crying over spilled milk.

I completely agree with Mattimeo's comment before the lynch. AdrienIer for the play of the first couple of days and the ridiculous hedging play of the end of D2.

[AdrienIer]

This is shaping to be one of scum's easiest win in a long while. Seriously novice was my only real support this game, why the hell would I have killed him last night ? Much easier to get him and my supposed teammate vote for someone else. I'm feeling as damned as at the end of D1, except I don't see Zak coming to my defense again. Oh and this :

Because AdrienIer is easy meat? Compared to Bob?

Well apparently yes. Everyone is on me right now so I guess I was a great scapegoat

[zakalwe]

Who do you think had a stronger motive for killing Novice? If nobody did, then it's a null tell.

I re-examined your infamous post 43 on my readthrough (not done yet). It's more compatible with you+Mattimeo than what I remembered. Your attack on Mattimeo is conditioned on Bob flipping as town, so that needs to happen first before it brings any heat to your buddy. Meanwhile you're saying "this must be the kind of thing Zak was looking for" as a way to encourage me to push back on Bob. Trying to set up a Zak/Bob confrontation.

And actually, you were moving your vote OFF Mattimeo in that post. You started the day pressuring him for lurking. When he eventually did post, it was a post that you strongly disagreed with, and yet you moved your vote.

[Gazglum]

Is there enough information for you to be involved now Matt?

Housekeeping posts for reference, as Rowain did:

DAY 1 LYNCH

4 votes: Bob (Mattimeo, novice, AdrienIer, zakalwe)
3 votes: AdrienIer (Rowain, Lewwyn, Shadeun)
1 votes: Rowain (Gazglum)
1 votes: Zakalwe (Bobchillingworth)

DAY 2 LYNCH

4 votes: Rowain (novice, Shadeun, Gazglum, AdrienIer)
2 votes: AdrienIer (zakalwe, Mattimeo)
1 votes: Novice (Rowain)

Lewwyn was killed Night 1 after voicing suspicion of Adrien, Matt and me, possibly Zak teamed with Adrien.

Novice was killed Night 2 after saying he had no good leads, previously suggested maybe Mattimeo by process of elimination.