Can you post a pic of Burning spears and the new culture? At a glace, it doesn't look like we'll be able to hit GJ from the blue until we get Engineering or unless we road the grass hll 2N2W of In-N-Out-Burger. It's going to put him on super-high alert if we do that.
(June 24th, 2015, 13:10)MindyMcCready Wrote: Can you post a pic of Burning spears and the new culture? At a glace, it doesn't look like we'll be able to hit GJ from the blue until we get Engineering or unless we road the grass hll 2N2W of In-N-Out-Burger. It's going to put him on super-high alert if we do that.
That corn,....
Will do....and YAY Gavagai is finally playing his turn. So I'll be able to log in to play soon.
So you want to know all of the culture details around Burning Spears? Or just certain specific tiles?
(June 24th, 2015, 13:10)MindyMcCready Wrote: Can you post a pic of Burning spears and the new culture? At a glace, it doesn't look like we'll be able to hit GJ from the blue until we get Engineering or unless we road the grass hll 2N2W of In-N-Out-Burger. It's going to put him on super-high alert if we do that.
That corn,....
Will do....and YAY Gavagai is finally playing his turn. So I'll be able to log in to play soon.
So you want to know all of the culture details around Burning Spears? Or just certain specific tiles?
Just a pic. I looked at a half-covered shot and it looks like he's going to see us because of that mountain. I just want to confirm that.
First...we take the last of the 3 cities from Borsche:
It came with nothing in it, sadly.
Next up the graphs and demos. 20% has us earning 101gpt, so I put us at 30% research. Break-even (at 50%, +6gpt) gets us Engineering in 8 turns.
We lost 1 Catapult taking the city. After dropping the defenses down to 0%, it was still low odds for my Sword against his Archer. So I threw a Catapult against it first.
This is Joey's city.
I no longer see any of retep's horses. So I'm almost thinking he simply disbanded them all, since there was no war dec from Commodore. So I didn't bother sending him the gold for horses offer. Since there is nothing there for him to send us. Our Peace Treaty with Commodore ends next turn, but all those Knights and HAs you see are all quite wounded, so they need to heal. So it's only if he has a stack somehow up by Hungry that he's planning to throw at me from there.
Here's just a shot showing Grimace with his 4 Galleys in his city (my galley is sitting on a tile with his C1 Trireme). I'm sure those galleys are all loaded up with Gallic's and stuff, waiting for his Trireme to find a target.
From the fighting I have two WE's at 5/5 XP (currently with C1 promo). Should I give them each another promo right now, or wait to see what they might be needed for? Got options of C2, Shock, or even the one that gives increased Withdrawal chances.
7 forests x 30H/forest x 1.5 for stone.
=315H of the 550 required hammers.
Remaining hammer before multiplier = 156.6666667
That's the base hammers that you need to produce before MC beats you to it.
You need to be mindful that MC will almost certainly have a forge and an OR religion. So he'll get 2X on every hammer that he puts into it meaning 225 base hammers versus our 157 base hammers. Given a 9T head start and the disparity in city sizes, I'd say that we have a snowball's chance,...
But I'm just guessing. I think that you need to inspect MC's top hammer city to figure out how quickly (from now) that he could land that wonder. I think that you'll need to convince me that we have any chance at all at that wonder.
Alternative: Fail-gold at 1.5X due to stone multiplier. Far better than a wealth build due to the multiplier.
Alternative: 210H into WEs/galleys to advance our Borsche Phase 2 invasion.
Those forests could produce our entire naval fleet in a low travel time location. Alternatively, it could also produce/replace the WEs or swords to advance our GJ city grab.
So I'm liking the 3rd choice. We'll need some WEs as stack defenders from CBs or LBs should Borsche or Gavagai ever get them. No need to waste our UU on those close combats. That would definately enable a 15T invasion timeline.
Some notes:
-Looks like MC's turned tech on and we're still ahead of him. That's pretty amazing really.
-We're #3 in soldiers but with a greater ability to concentrate our units.
-I would like to proceed with the Retep horse offer. He might be willing to unload some of his army and get some gold. It costs us nothing to make the suggestion. His army could easily be on the PH N2E of Dragon Herdsman for example. With all the improvements already pillaged there's no advantage in a DOW other than rage satisfaction and wiping out a few units. MC isn't invulnerable to Retep right now but will outtech and kill him later. So rationally, he might choose to wait despite the goading by Retep.
For the WE promotions,..I think that the WE's will likely be defending against CB or LBs so C2 would probably be best.
Joey's city,...we can't approach without him seeing us. So he's going to get a min of 2 whips before we can make a move on him. With Engineering, we're hidden 3S of Anxious or 1SE of Anxious. If he had a stack of cats or HAs sitting in the fog we could take an unnessary loss. 85% chance that he wouldn't since he's already in a hot war as well as having long borders.
If you can show the size and condition of our main stack as well as what we can see in Burning Spears we can think some more about that tomorrow. We'll have to be a little careful of what could come out of Uptown Warriors since he could easily have a promoted galley by now.
Hmmm,...8T to Engineering. We'll have to talk tomorrow. Losing that city as well as that stack would be a pretty big blow to GJ,...for good or for bad.
I logged back in real quick just now to check on the status of the OB with GJ. I had sent him the trade offer first of OB + his city of Black Seminoles + Iron from him for Hungry from me. I then send him the blank OB request.
Logged in to him having accepted the OB and sending back to me the following two diplo windows.
First one I forgot to take a screenshot of. It was him sending me Black Seminoles + Iron and from me Hungry + Iron
The second window was this:
Not entirely sure what to make of it all. I'm hoping he's not actually expecting me to DOW on Commodore. Maybe he's signaling that he'll be able to stop his OB in 1 turn? In either case, we now have OB with GJ and it gave us a +12gpt boost. Actually more than that I think, since part of any extra from the trade routes is also going to our 30% research I believe. Though I'm sure he's also gotten a huge benefit from it.
Anyway, didn't have time to look into the other details you requested. Will have to get that stuff for you next turn.
Oh, also pretty much all those Knights and HAs of Commodores that my screenshot above from before he played his turn.....they're mostly all gone now. So they are either in a shadow somewhere or he sent them north (or into cities I can't view) to heal. I still see 2 Knights & 1 CB in Dragon Herdsman and a single HA in Dragon Slave, but that's basically about it. I'm going to bring the two Spies I had over there back south to keep wandering around that area to try to watch as much of that territory as I can. One is already halfway between Dragon Herdsman and Dragon Soldier. The other is further north up near the former Guns-n-Roses city.
EDIT: Oh, I think I may have figured out what Joey may have been trying to signal. Maybe he can also see Comm's research, so he's telling me that Comm is 1T from a military tech (ie. Engineering)...which I can also see on my own. But he wouldn't have any way to know that I can already see that. Speaking of seeing tech, I believe I'm currently 2 turns or so out from being able to see GJ's research. I still seem to be the only person who has build Courthouses, since I haven't seen anyone elses EP rates increase on the graph.
(June 24th, 2015, 21:39)HitAnyKey Wrote: I'm going to bring the two Spies I had over there back south to keep wandering around that area to try to watch as much of that territory as I can.
Hak, we need those spies to be stationary, permanent, early warning signals. MC will soon be interested in taking us down a notch.
I just want to confirm that. 
