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(August 9th, 2015, 15:52)zakalwe Wrote: (August 9th, 2015, 06:52)AdrienIer Wrote: Cos' I was leaving and thought he was an ok target
We're not obliged to torture anyone. You've been saying it should wait until all the discussion revolves around whether or not a specific player is guilty. I wouldn't say that was the case with Jabbz?
When I voted it was 4 Jabbz 2 no torture 1 me 1 Matt. No torture was never going to happen and I preferred Jabbz over the other possibilities (although I could have voted for myself now I realize).
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(August 9th, 2015, 16:22)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: Jabbz and AdrienIer, assuming he can show to me he's not SK, are safe. MA can be lynched but he feels like a confused villager to me now.
I'm not sure how I can do that ? I can tell you my name (come morning) and why I don't want to say it too soon but that's it. Except if you want me to be tortured which I will do with pleasure.
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MJW, I still don't understand what meta-tell it is that you're holding in AdrienIer's favor, and certainly not how it would exclude him from being a god but not from being a SK. If you're talking about the words "You have no powers", they could be present in one of the god PMs and thus posted in their QT. It's actually a better question how a SK would know about that phrasing.
If you know what I mean.
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(August 9th, 2015, 16:28)zakalwe Wrote: MJW, I still don't understand what meta-tell it is that you're holding in AdrienIer's favor, and certainly not how it would exclude him from being a god but not from being a SK. If you're talking about the words "You have no powers", they could be present in one of the god PMs and thus posted in their QT. It's actually a better question how a SK would know about that phrasing.
He could have access to that as a god. I'm just saying that he doesn't have what it takes to lie about it about how that cleared Brick in his eyes. I've already explained why him being SK-theory is linked to that so I also get the sense that your not reading my posts and are just saying things to stay alive. If he's SK he still could be surprised because he could be given a vanilla-pm in his quick-topic or the body of the hero he took over had no powers. (My theory is that Serdoa make the village roles and then had the gods randomly take-over bodies to prevent a mass-claim from working).
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(August 9th, 2015, 16:27)AdrienIer Wrote: Except if you want me to be tortured which I will do with pleasure.
Jabbz apparently lost his powers when he was mis-tortured. If we do the same to you, who have no powers, I expect you will at best die. That would actually be a pretty good outcome, because it would give us a double lynch. But if you don't die, I don't expect anyone to trust you to remain innocent after the torture. I would also be concerned that the torturer himself could die or change alignment if we hit another innocent. I think we may have pushed our luck far enough when it comes to torturing.
If you know what I mean.
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(August 9th, 2015, 16:27)AdrienIer Wrote: Except if you want me to be tortured which I will do with pleasure.
But then it wouldn't be torture.
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I think we should torture zakalwe and to lynch lewwyn.
I'm no stranger to the scientific method. But I don't find it to be as useful in WW given the severe limitation of resources, and limited observable data.
Has Adriener claimed to have no powers? Or are you suddenly against torture bc ur now under possible suspicion?
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Lewwyn, Rowain, what do you guys think? Maybe Zak figured Brick was going to get tortured either way and decided to hammer the first nail himself?
I have to run.
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MJW, you said here that it was a meta-reason,
(August 8th, 2015, 18:14)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: I won't be voting AdrienIer today because of my meta-reason. It's very lame. 
so I took that to mean that his knowledge of the keywords was the crux of your argument. But it's actually not a meta-reason, because you're just arguing that he wouldn't have the guts to bluff like that if he was on Brick's team.
To me, AdrienIer's post here
(August 7th, 2015, 16:46)AdrienIer Wrote: (August 7th, 2015, 16:38)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: Rowain, it's plausible that the wolfs bussed Brick after noticing that he claimed vanilla. I'm probably just being silly here. 
This is an unreasonable assertion. As a vanilla villager myself I find it frustrating to hear you so sure of yourself. It's part of why I believed BRick yesterday, the vanilla PM actually says "You have no powers", just like BRick said. He must have been a standard god with no powers.
just looked like a classic way to sneak in a vanilla claim. That doesn't take much guts IMO, when you're already on the shortlist of people being pushed to claim. On the other hand, AdrienIer did actually foreshadow his claim (potentially) with this:
(August 6th, 2015, 04:10)AdrienIer Wrote: Also I'm inclined to believe one part of BRick's claim but I don't want to reveal it until the beginning of D2. Sorry for being mysterious.
So that does give it more credibility.
If you know what I mean.
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(August 9th, 2015, 17:06)Marcus Aurelius Wrote: I think we should torture zakalwe and to lynch lewwyn.
I'm no stranger to the scientific method. But I don't find it to be as useful in WW given the severe limitation of resources, and limited observable data.
Has Adriener claimed to have no powers? Or are you suddenly against torture bc ur now under possible suspicion?
AdrienIer has claimed vanilla, yes. I'm saying we should switch to more reliable methods for gathering data. So if you want to verify my alignment, you should lynch me, not torture me.
If you know what I mean.
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