WW40 - Game Thread

[novice]

For Zak to say he was visited by Medusa makes him clearly a liar

How did you stone him?

[MJW (ya that one)]

For Zak to say he was visited by Medusa makes him clearly a liar

How did you stone him?

For Zak to say he was visited by Medusa makes him clearly a liar

How did you stone him?

Perseus used Medusa's head to stone King Atlas in greek mythology after killing her.

[novice]

MJW, you would be staking the game on "Jabbz being too much" without knowing all the variables. I prefer to lynch the least credible claim first.

When Serdoa warned us that torture would have side effects, I didn't envision a tortured villager losing his ability and having it replaced by something better. I imagine Gazglum would have a thing or two to say about that game design.

[zakalwe]

How likely is it that torturing an innocent removes one power and adds another, and then informs the torturer that the victim is innocent, while informing the victim that "you can now see really far and turn people to stone"? Clearly Jabbz is just extrapolating wildly from the flavor text when he was tortured.

He fails to specify how his redirection power works. Most commonly, it works by redirecting ALL actions targeting A to instead target B. But he said that he had the power to redirect a night action. Using his shield? Once again, he's too focused on the flavor.

Redirection, if it works like above, also counts as yet another protective role.

[novice]

For Zak to say he was visited by Medusa makes him clearly a liar

How did you stone him?

For Zak to say he was visited by Medusa makes him clearly a liar

How did you stone him?

Perseus used Medusa's head to stone King Atlas in greek mythology after killing her.

I know, I've been studying. So is Zak "clearly" lying? Wasn't he visited by Medusa's head, after all?

[zakalwe]

Unvote just to correct the tally.

[Jabbz]

I'm hoping I don't cross the line into quoting here, but I petrified him leaving him unable to act for an entire night and day, which included powers and votes. The power to speak was left so as to not take away the fun for the player. The determination that it is rooted in my association with the Gorgon Medusa was based solely on my knowledge of Greek mythology and Perseus' association with that monster.

How likely is it that torturing an innocent removes one power and adds another, and then informs the torturer that the victim is innocent, while informing the victim that "you can now see really far and turn people to stone"? Clearly Jabbz is just extrapolating wildly from the flavor text when he was tortured.

He fails to specify how his redirection power works. Most commonly, it works by redirecting ALL actions targeting A to instead target B. But he said that he had the power to redirect a night action. Using his shield? Once again, he's too focused on the flavor.

Redirection, if it works like above, also counts as yet another protective role.

So likelihood? I'm not going to attempt to determine that. This is a new setup, and we have no way of knowing what happens. Further, the thousand yard stare was not something from my PM, nor did I imply it was, it came directly from the flavor text given by Serdoa.

He hadn't as you realized a few hours later when he finally came out of the tent. But he had changed. His former black hair was white as the snow. His hands shook uncontrollably. But the worst were his eyes. One simply was gone, leaving a gaping black hole, scorn with fire, while the other stared into the distance, unblinking.

Nothing in that speaks of the ability to stone, as is appropriate, as it should be flavor text not giving away information. The only information that was given was that which was passed to the torturer himself, that I was a hero. Again, the rest is tied simply to my knowledge of the mythos, and I'm enjoying writing my responses based on that. Deal with it.

Specifically on the redirection. I gave you what I had, because that was all I was given. I didn't think to ask the host specifics about my powers and how they worked. I assumed that all abilities targeting A went to B. Perhaps had I planned to use it on night two, I would have asked, so as to better understand the mechanics, but to be honest, I probably wouldn't have thought to until I saw the results the next day, and wanted to better understand what that meant as far as who was what in game.

On the shield, this is again rooted in the mythos. Perseus used the polished inside of his shield to be able to see Medusa without looking directly at her and being subject to her power. From a thematic standpoint, I would have used the reflective capabilities of my shield to intercept the powers and move them somewhere else.

Finally, I would like to add that the final god in this setup can be none other than Zeus. While Zues did on one occasion turn the entire population of Thebes to stone, it is not a power he is well known for, and thus would not make sense, especially when saying he struck with lightning bolts shocking the individual would be just as thematically correct for the same effect as stoning. The argument that the final enemy here should be a Gorgon, daughters of the sea deities Ceto the sea monster and Phorcys, fails in two places because first, she is not Zeus, and second, Medusa, unlike her sisters Stheno and Euryale, was not immortal and thus would not fall into the category of gods. Your argument just fails in too many places to be believable.

[novice]

So, flavorwise, why did you gain this ability from being tortured?

[Jabbz]

I thought I addressed that. I would say flavor wise that after being tortured I was willing/able to use the power of the Medusa head that I previously wouldn't. It is certainly the weakest link of the lot, but then again, I didn't write it up, and I may be missing part of Serdoa's reasoning. If you don't like that part, that's fine, but you cannot ignore the fact that it makes zero thematic sense to have two of the brothers as enemies and not have the main man himself as the third. A gorgon just doesn't fit. Further, if we are talking about likelihoods, what is more likely, that I would change powers, or that, after being told I'm a hero, I somehow change forms completely and become a gorgon? A gorgon could never be considered a hero, under any circumstances, thus invalidating the information given to the torturer.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Converting someone+making them a voteblocker is too swingee against town. A godfather that can gain voteblocker is too much against a vanilla scum and a traitor scum. With four scum Jabbz would just be too much so Zak goes in front of him.