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I'll sleep on it. Marcus, your thoughts and answers to the questions you've been asked would be welcome. Night all!
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the way I see it, Jabbz definitely visited Zakalwe, and definitely visited him.
Jabbz says that it blocks Night + Day actions.
Zakalwe says that it just blocks his ability to vote (didn't block his self-watcher).
Self-watch is an easy enough role to 'fake claim' as its recognized by other players.
Jabbz was confirmed as Town by the torturer (Novice).
We had 1 jailer (dead), and 1 doctor (me). someone said that it might be overpowered for Doctor + Jailer + Day Cop, BUT! ... Doctor and Jailer only have 2 shots each. (yes, that's why I didn't use my power last night, I'm down to just 1 shot left). And torture supposedly has some sort of a 'downside'.
So the way I see it ... either Jabbz had an alignment shift with his additional power or he didn't. Zakalwe seems too crafted though, and tbh, he only ever seemed interested in hunting *me* likely b/c he thought that maybe I was either Vigilante or SK (due to saying Gaz's name in red on the night that he died). Incidentally, Lewwyn decided to use his win-condition on the night that I said his name in red as well ... was it because he was afraid that I was going to otherwise kill him? Afterall, he might have otherwise been waiting in the folds, trying to get Rowain mislynched or something.
Two reasons no one else died last night .... ONE, Lewwyn was - even though fulfilling his own victory condition- just doing a more *public* version of the faction-kill. Either with or without consent from 3rd wolf.
Option TWO, that Zakalwe must have been the final wolf. And that he was frozen, thereby unable to faction-kill.
Honestly having Lewwyn's self-motivated acts being also considered the faction kill might be too anti wolf, but idrk. Imho it would be worse for wolves than a night kill b/c it would be a direct 1:1 ... not that its always a bad trade off for wolves, but a mislynch is 2:1 not 1:1 ... so the 1:1 analogy there doesn't rly count. Ergo, a TRUE 1:1 ... meaning, only 1 villager dies, while 1 wolf dies, would probably be too strong for town.
But, its really for both Meta reasons and for non Meta reasons. One of either Jabbz or Zakalwe is lying. I was starting too feel as though Adrienier was possibly either SK/Torturer ... OR just vanilla WOLF ... but I was too focused on the SK/Torturer side because I thought it might have been his night immunity.
Only way Jabbz is SK at this point is if BOTH he *and* Zakalwe are lying. But even if Jabbz is SK, that would mean Zakalwe = wolf.
No Torture
Zakalwe
I agree with MJW that one of the two is the third wolf, and I also agree that it would be safer to lynch Zak first.
I don't think its too strong for Jabbz to have his new power and still be TOWN, because it could just as easily hurt the town by preventing a helpful villager to vote (and thereby forcing a tie). Luckily however, we have MJW's +0.1 power on our side ... but if Jabbz targets MJW tonight then he is probably some strange 3rd party.
Ultimately I think that the safer bet is to lynch Zakalwe, because I don't think Perseus would just *turn into* Medusa, since he already has killed Medusa. Plus, Medusa is a monster, not a god. Therefore, assuming both are telling the truth, then Zak is a god and Jabbz is a monster. Does that mean we might have to kill them both? Sure, why not? BUT!!! If Jabbz is village and not monster, then it will be a waste to lynch him ...
Therefore Zak is definitely the better choice (Imho).
Meanwhile, if Jabbz + X are wolves, and Zakalwe is village ... I just don't think the game setup would be that anti-town. (IE, there is only 1 more wolf, any other scum are third party, and since we likely started with 3 wolves .... Zak has to be the wolf)
So like ... Meta wise, I'm convinced Zak is a wolf ...
but non-meta wise ... I'm still fairly certain (just not *as* convinced) of Zak's guilt.
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also what is a Banner? Someone considered me a possible 2-shot banner, and I don't know what it means.
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only way Jabbz is the wolf, imho, is if he was all-along a Stone-gaze Godfather and torture had no effect on him.
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(August 10th, 2015, 18:47)Marcus Aurelius Wrote: also what is a Banner? Someone considered me a possible 2-shot banner, and I don't know what it means.
Banner = werewolf word for protector.
Self-watching may not be considered an action because you don't have to order it.
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(August 10th, 2015, 18:48)Marcus Aurelius Wrote: only way Jabbz is the wolf, imho, is if he was all-along a Stone-gaze Godfather and torture had no effect on him.
This is too much due to vanilla Brick's presence.
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(August 10th, 2015, 18:46)Marcus Aurelius Wrote: Two reasons no one else died last night .... ONE, Lewwyn was - even though fulfilling his own victory condition- just doing a more *public* version of the faction-kill. Either with or without consent from 3rd wolf.
It couldn't have been a public version of the faction kill, as Odysseus had a single use NK-immunity.
(August 10th, 2015, 00:45)Serdoa Wrote: Odysseus had died. He was a hero. Also known as Rowain. His power was a one time NK-immunity and a one time lynch-immunity.
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Welp ... in that case, its either Zak is the wolf, or Jabbz + (Not Novice) decided to go for a no-kill, while freezing Zak for no reason.
I'm inclined to believe in Zak's guilt.
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well ... not 'no reason' .... but to play this out. However, since the 3rd wolf (Jabbz being 4th) would have to not be Novice or Zak, it would have taken considerable planning.
Of course freezing Zak would have been to set him up + prevent a village vote, which is far from being 'non sensical' ....
Still ... I think Zak's the wolf.
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The third God really should be Zeus, that's true. But I still have a hard time accepting torture netting town a new power.
AdrienIer, what do you think?
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