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WW40 - Game Thread
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So if Jabbz is scum he had to no-kill to make his framing of Zak work. And with the doctor alive, he would risk not getting a kill the next night either, which would gain town another mislynch. So that seems like a needless risk.
I guess Zakalwe, then.
I have to run.
This game was designed for up to 20 players, so there could be holes in the setup (i.e. no Zeus) now that it is scaled back to 11. If the third god has taken the shape of Medusa, his powers would be balanced by the fact that he has no safe hero claim. But while Medusa may technically be a goddess, she is first and foremost a monster. So I think it's more likely that Jabbz is a SK, and that there is another god out there. The god tried to kill Jabbz, who was probably viewed as the most cleared player, and hit a night kill immunity. If we lynch me before Jabbz we are heading for an unclear endgame. Jabbz might start killing, and we end up losing control of the lynch. Lynching him first is the safe play, even if you believe that I am more likely scum than him. If I am the last scum, this is just my hail mary play, and you can afford to lynch Jabbz first.
(August 10th, 2015, 18:46)Marcus Aurelius Wrote: Only way Jabbz is SK at this point is if BOTH he *and* Zakalwe are lying. How so? As for the alleged role block, I think my self-watching would have worked regardless, as it's a passive ability.
If you know what I mean.
If everybody except me is telling the truth, then town has:
- A day cop with no ill effects from catching scum, and positive effects from clearing townies - A 2-shot doctor - A jailer - A 2-shot redirector - A double voter - A 1-shot lynch immunity + 1-shot night kill immunity While scum has: - 1 vanilla god - 1 god with unknown powers - 1 god with a separate victory condition So in effect, if we subtract Lewwyn and Rowain, it would be a 9/2 setup with a supercharged town. Don't you think this is "too much", MJW?
If you know what I mean.
First, that would depend on what the unknown god had. Given the mechanics of torture involved in the game, it is unlikely that there is not a godfather style character. This thematically works great with Zues, known for his shape shifting abilities.
Second, you overstate MJW's ability, in that he is not a double voter, he is a voter plus. His vote does not cancel out two votes the way a double voter would, it simply breaks ties. Third The 1shot lynch immune + 1shot night kill immune was largely canceled out by the god with separate powers, which included a, one would presume, single use instant kill/anytime vig kill, which he was not immune to. That is in addition to the fact that the extra god was directly seeking him out. It's also reasonable to accept that the jailer was limited use, as all the rest of ours are limited use. Fourth, on the torturer, revisit what I said about the godfather type character, including the possibility that he, like me, was boosted by the torture, as well as whatever normal powers he has. In addition, we do not know what would have happened had others been tortured, IE a vanilla townie being tortured could have killed him or alignment changed, as the original message stated. I think it more likely however that too many tortures would have changed our torturers alignment, as he saw too much of what the Greek gods did to humans and came to like it. In addressing your prior post, scaling it down from 20 (up to he said, but he knew a week + in advance how many he had) would not change the theme. It is ridiculous to postulate that two of the three brothers would be in the game, and the third god would be anything else, when EVERYTHING else in this game has been so meticulously crafted and thematically fitted. I understand you don't have a firm grasp of Greek mythology, but believe me when I say that the shape shifting rapist is key to most stories. I think that your argument that there could be a SK makes far more sense, but that ignores the fact that it would be unbalancing to add a daycop/torture mechanic, and not throw in a scan immune character to compensate. This does not negate the possibility of an SK in addition god, but if you had an SK with two gods, that further imbalances it against the gods, and doesn't change the odds that much against town compared to a 3god scenario. You are doing a good job of trying to dig your way out of this Zak, but I think you are well and thoroughly trapped in your own web of lies. (August 11th, 2015, 01:04)novice Wrote: AdrienIer, what do you think? What frightens me is that if Jabbz got an alignement shift (to gods or third party) then we're dealing with 2 non towns right now. If we kill Zak first then we're 3 towns vs 3 non towns. If Jabbz is telling the truth then we kill Zak tomorrow and the story ends. I'd also like to point out that Jabbz could be a sort of 1 shot godfather, and as he lost his godfather power he gained the medusa power. Yeah it's a long shot.
You are the scan-immune character, Jabbz.
From what you're claiming, you could first redirect on two nights, then be tortured, cleared, and gain another ability with unlimited (?) uses. This is very contrary to the negative side effects that Serdoa has been hinting at. Sure, a bad guy might be boosted by torture, but as a townie your story is completely implausible. (August 11th, 2015, 03:38)novice Wrote: If Jabbz is a SK, who, if anyone, do you think the last scum is, Zak? I'm not sure, but AdrienIer has been slipping a lot lately. Swinging from thinking everybody is town except me to being convinced it's Marcus, then quickly voting correctly in my showdown with Jabbz on the grounds that Medusa is technically a goddess. And he's becoming more pro-torture with time instead of less, which is odd. I also feel like MJW is dancing around with relatively obscure arguments. MA is probably town. I'm almost certain you started the game as town. I guess there's a minor chance that you flipped when you tortured Jabbz but I haven't noticed any tells.
If you know what I mean.
Tally as of post 517:
Lynch votes 4.1 votes: Zakalwe (Jabbz, MJW (ya that one), Marcus Aurelius, novice) 1 votes: Jabbz (AdrienIer) Voting history: Green votes 3.1 votes: No torture (novice, MJW (ya that one), Marcus Aurelius) 1 votes: Marcus Aurelius (AdrienIer) Voting history:
If you know what I mean.
Sure Zak. I'm the scan immune character. That's why I've been adamantly opposed to random torture all game. That argument makes less sense than most of your other ones. Given the concerns I've been posting all game, specifically about the potential risk of repeated uses of torture, I'll pass on torturing either you or myself thank you very much. Your pressuring now to engage in more torture just shows how desperate you are.
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