WW40 - Game Thread

[Marcus Aurelius]

Also I feel as though a power-switch upon alignment change makes more sense than a torture just randomly giving out new powers, as Brick had previously tried to claim.

[Jabbz]

Good night, Jabbz. I do believe we're still in the first half of the day, though.

Yeah, see that's why Jabbz shouldn't post at 4:30am :P

[Jabbz]

I still stand by my arguments last night however. The only way Zak is town is if Serdoa pulled a bastard move, and decided to tell Zak that Medusa visited him last night, instead of Perseus, which is what he told me my character was. With me knowing I'm town, that's the only scenario that makes sense.

For you guys who don't know I'm town, the level of evidence is almost overwhelming, though I understand each isn't as strong individually. The naming convention being used, the power that supposedly only tells him the character that visited, not the player, the very concept of the third god being a monster instead of a god, and everything that implies when taking balance into consideration.

Zak's the scum, it's pretty clear. Again, I reiterate, if you want to kill me first, then Zak tomorrow, I'm totally ok with it. Just don't do what MA is suggesting and kill MJW after me for some odd reason that doesn't make much sense. Clearly, absent a bastard setup, either Zak or I is scum, there really isn't room for someone else that I can see.

[Serdoa]

I'm sorry I missed the deadline for torture. I .. just forgot. Sorry again.

Anyhow, no one was tortured. So yay!

[Marcus Aurelius]

Jabbz, I wasn't advocating to lynch MJW if you are innocent, only to consider it if you *aren't* innocent.

Clearly lynching Zakalwe after an innocent Jabbz is the best play ... but a guilty jabbz leads credence to Zakalwe innocence/ MJW guilt.

[Jabbz]

Ahh ok MA, that explains why it didn't make sense.

[MJW (ya that one)]

MA:

Odd number is good for town. Easiest way: 3 villagers vs 1 wolf on the last day. You need to kill the last wolf to win and you have 25% chance. 2 villagers vs 1 wolf you still need to kill the last wolf but now you have a 33% chance. The reason the paradox happens is that the extra villager is useless because wolfs win on ties.

I thought Adrien might be SK because I was pretty sure that he didn't bluff about the “you have no powers” incident. This is only possible if he isn't on team gods so he's village unless he's SK. I thought he was scummy for not wanting to name/role claim and that's why I brought up the SK possibility but now he's not scummy for it for reasons he explained when he did claim.

--- Why I'm not switching.
3 wolfs
Jabbz doesn't have what it takes to BS it on the last day. Lynch Zak first.

4 wolfs, 3wolfs + 1 recruit, 3 wolfs + third party

Zak and Jabbz on chopping block
I know I'm innocent. Adrien i'm sure is vanilla due to the quote incident so cannot be the above so is innocent, MA claimed first and power is nonsensical. So #4 would have to be novice but his play doesn't make sense if he and Jabbz are both wolfs. If he's third party we can shut him down by voting no torture as a third party gimmick not involving it is too much. Oh wait he pushed not to torture in the first place... So Zak still goes first.

Bastard mod
Serdoa is a good boy.

Jabbz is too much if there's four wolfs and Serdoa wouldn't make the voteblocker recruitable during torture because that''s the worst role by far. Needless to say making someone switch sides and gain voteblocker is just hilarious. He would make someone like Adrien recuitable.

[zakalwe]

I thought Adrien might be SK because I was pretty sure that he didn't bluff about the “you have no powers” incident. This is only possible if he isn't on team gods so he's village unless he's SK. I thought he was scummy for not wanting to name/role claim and that's why I brought up the SK possibility but now he's not scummy for it for reasons he explained when he did claim.

Lewwyn was on a quest to kill Odysseus. AdrienIer was withholding his name claim because he thought he could be Odysseus' lover. Isn't that a suspicious coincidence? Why did he assume that Odysseus would be in the game?

[AdrienIer]

I thought Adrien might be SK because I was pretty sure that he didn't bluff about the “you have no powers” incident. This is only possible if he isn't on team gods so he's village unless he's SK. I thought he was scummy for not wanting to name/role claim and that's why I brought up the SK possibility but now he's not scummy for it for reasons he explained when he did claim.

Lewwyn was on a quest to kill Odysseus. AdrienIer was withholding his name claim because he thought he could be Odysseus' lover. Isn't that a suspicious coincidence? Why did he assume that Odysseus would be in the game?

Your lack of knowledge of Greek mythology is clearly showing. If I had to name two heroes from there that aren't half gods it would be Achilles and Odysseus. And it would be completely incomprehensible for Penelope (known mainly for being Odysseus's wife and waiting 15 years for his return) to be in and not Odysseus.

[zakalwe]

"Completely incomprehensible" are strong words, but point taken.

I do feel like MJW is constructing his argument for why I should hang before Jabbz. My track record at LyLo lately is to be lynched as scum, and mislynched as town. Clearly Jabbz has got what it takes to take me down.

I have asked Serdoa if the name I'm given is the player's character name, or the safe claim name, i.e. the character that he impersonates. Understandably, he dodged that question. I did originally expect to receive player names, but I don't see how my role is any less plausible the way it did turn out to work. Either way, there's no doubt that Jabbz or I must be lying. He says there's no mention at all of Medusa in any of his communication, which just cannot be true, with the result that I got. So lynch him next, no questions asked.

In any case, I thought some more about possible setups and considering that 1) the victory condition and game title both hint at two factions, 2) I know that Jabbz is lying, and 3) Novice claims that he scanned as innocent, I think the worst case scenario that we really need to worry about is that Jabbz is a traitor, a.k.a. minion, i.e. that he wins with the gods but doesn't know their identities. In that case, we should be heading for a 3-player endgame after Jabbz is lynched. That will be winnable, but it will still be easier to win if we take Jabbz up on his offer to be lynched first. (Which is clearly a bluff, btw. Notice how eager he was for the day to end earlier.)

It's also possible that Jabbz simply flips as a god. In that case, Medusa is his fake character name, and he chose to claim Perseus instead because Medusa isn't a hero. His bad character name would then be balanced by the scan immunity. If Jabbz is a god then Novice could also be a traitor, but that doesn't matter, because the game will end when Jabbz dies.

I don't know if there is anything else I can do to convince people. I don't think there are any holes or inconsistencies in my story, whereas his story is implausible and reeks of improvisation. His redirection power cannot plausibly exist with the wording that he gave, just to highlight one aspect.