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This is gonna be good: von Adlercreutz and Taotao

I'm totally fine with your other responses, but this sentence of yours might be worth a discussion.

Quote:I realy dont like starwing and working scientist in Ga as i like more working tiles and having infra or units done.

I believe we're on fairly contradicting courses on this one.
A Golden Age increase gpp-production by 100% (50% in NE-city).

It doesn't affect food production. It doesn't affect whip-production. It affects hammer production, but most of that will come from mines -> increases of 25-33% (in the age of levees or on maps with more plains tiles this could be higher). Finally it also affects commerce. I guess a typical commerce tile of ours would be a riverside hamlet? So a 33% increase in commerce.

Yes, we do have some tiles that will get both a hammer and a commerce bonus, but it's not a huge part of total worked tiles.
So, while we can have certain other objectives that are worth pursuing in a Golden Age, I see the most efficient use of a GA in a long term perspective to be to produce the Great People that we would produce anyhow.

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By the way, on a totally different matter I got a letter earlier today from a citizen of Pulkkila, thought you might want to see it as well.

Dearest rulers,
I, your humble servant Göran Magnus Sprengtporten, wants to address an issue on the lips of everyone in Pulkkila.
We are a simple people here in the north. We tend our pigsties, we gather clams from the sea and pay our taxes as best we can.
Being on the border to Russia it is with alarm that we have followed their mobilization and hostile intentions. We know that should an attack occur, our wives, sons and daughters would be the first to lose homes and honour.
For that reason we’ve endured the hardships you’ve put us through. Sacrificing ever more of our own folk to produce axes and spears, catapults and horse archers. We have endured, so that when the Russians show their ugly faces we’ll be able to fight back and burn their villages instead!

It is therefore with uttermost despair that we’ve noticed all units leaving for the south! The enemy is here!
Left in Pulkkila we have one company of spearmen.
One!
As faithful servants of the realm we plead that you send us reinforcements with the speed of a hawks flight.
We have heard rumors that you favor the capital over all else and would give naught for the provinces. So far we’ve treated these rumors as nothing but disgruntled envy, but should nothing happen I don’t know for how much longer you can count on our continued support.
In hope that you, our wise rulers, will see to this matter immediately,
//GMS


Annoying when the peasants don’t know their place wouldn’t you say?
I guess we should make an example of that Sprengtporten villain and put his head on a pike?
And probably double-whip that horse archer next turn in Pulkkila so the other citizens don’t get any ideas?
He does have one point though, we actually don’t have any whip-unhappiness in the capital, perhaps it’s time we attend to that oversight soon?
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Whats with those people dont they knoow we live in despotism here, and worst then other empire we have 2 despots.So whip them to work harder.
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I think with the forest beeing cuted near DZ city we have some new options for our units.I think we will totaly like 10 workers for this war , so just 5 remain but we have enough tiles to work.
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(November 22nd, 2015, 12:35)mackoti Wrote: I think with the forest beeing cuted near DZ city we have some new options for our units.I think we will totaly like 10 workers for this war , so just 5 remain but we have enough tiles to work.
Actually, I saw the sign you put on the forking tile, but I wonder if going there only slows us down?

Option 1, we go according to earlier plan. Main stack hit the Ural on turn 2 of war (and move past city). Turn 1 we attack and take Grozny and move past it. For this part we need lots of ha's/chariots to cover the 2 workers that move to sugar on first turn of war. We might lose the odd horse unit to an impi attacking out, but on a grand scale it's a fairly safe plan where we can attack with appropriate units according to what defenders he has.
Now, we could move horses to the forking tile, but what are we forking? A city that will fall anyway on the next turn and one small city that will have at least an impi and an archer as garrison. I mean, if we have 5 ha's there we could probably take the city, but for the war this city is inconsequential. We can take Grozny or we could take Sevastopol, but we don't have enough units to take both early on if we are to hasten to the production centers of his capital and Mondatta. I guess you could argue that Sevastopol is the better city of the two and also might tempt Serdoa to join the war. However, we won't get the silver before we've taken Mondatta anyhow. Since we need to take the city with horse units if we are not to fall behind in speed we're also much more vulnerable in case he decides to send another impi there.

btw. the program I used for the illustration was paint.net. You can check out Old Harrys pb30 thread for more info.
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Ideea was to get 2-3 ha there with 1 axe, spear , archer covering and workers under it if the city is weak defended we get it and move the archer spear axe there , if not ha still get into the hill.

But now with the forest beeing choped we can get to be in capitol range in turn 2 of the war with the 2 movers .Because of that i wanted a vision chariot to get more info.

Ps: kril just got 3-4 cities form Thevanable guy so he is on like 14-15 cities now if i count right.
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I changed back the production in numijarvi to an axe as I dont belive right now a WE without promo would help us.eter with a axe and a HA.if you wana chage back you still have time till others finish...
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Looked at the turn and moved some workers, but not Bobbie. I believe the best use of him would be to farm the floodplain shared between Alavo and Virta. However, if he goes there he'd be sitting without cover right next to R.E.M.s warrior. I don't know how you'd feel about doing such a thing...
Second best alternative that I spotted would be to go 2S and mine the plains hill shared between Alavo and Svartholm. Definitely a benefit to that as well considering neither city have any extra improved tiles.

(Edit: ) How do you feel about swapping the worker in Pulkkila to a workboat? More workers would be good for sure, but a workboat exploring north once we open borders (hopefully) with REM wouldn't be bad. (I'm assuming we're sending the work boat you started in Pyhäjoki south, hoping that DZ doesn't have a galley to annoy us?)

Have you offered the health deal to REM yet? If not, then I think we should do that now. DZ's (rightly) acting pretty suspicious at the moment with scouts at both ends of our empire and this might tip him off, but letting REM (who whipped thrice last turn) go ahead with his attack is probably more important. Didn't want to send a deal if you had already done so though.

Also realized that I've been slacking a bit. Some five turns ago we settled our 12th city Toivola (earlier known as "city 5") by the border to Serdoa, but I haven't put up a screenshot of it earlier so here you go wink



This will always be seen as an expendable city, but the shared wet wheat and horses combined with a chop into a granary should make it reasonably productive early on. Only question really is whether we should add one of our cheap libraries to try and steal a tile or two or simply not bother with the culture game here?
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We need to get on chat about planning the war or otherwise one of us should take full charge of the war , if you don have time to chat.
Btw i think we want second part of the turn so starting with next turn i think we should avoid login before dz.
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I made some math and we can have 12 ha and 3 chars for atack or 11 ha and 5 chariots and all the othe units.I still want to send 2 ha 1 archer and 2 axe on forest near toivala.

We can let the axe, spear fortified were is now (the one which defends andrea ) as we forgot about them.So we can put on sugur 1 axe one spear and 10 ha and 3 chariots.
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So we will do tier 4 now, who think lurkers belong there?
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