[Spoliers] FDR of France vs ipecac.

[Alhazard]

-Hall of Mirrors, no barbs/events/huts, standard bans (WEs except Khmer, diplo, nukes, blockades)
-Prince, tiny size, normal speed
-Scout start ok
-no spies
-map maker rolls 10 combos and pick after seeing start

Cyrus of Native Americans
Tokugawa of England
DeGaulle of Mali
Sulieman of Greece
Charlemange of China
Isabella of Mongols
Sitting Bull of Japan
FDR of France
Mehmed of Ethiopia
Elizabeth of Russia

Coinflip=Ipecac going first, so Alhaz picks first I'd say?

ipecac picked Isabella.

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[Alhazard]

omg this is a super hard start to sim out.

[Alhazard]

Mine->BW->Pottery->Myst->Masonry->AH
T16: Farm Corn
T17: Move worker 1 N to tree
T18: cap grows to 2, work a tree to complete warrior
T19: start 2nd worker and work FP again for 8fhpt
T20: finish chop
T21: Road 1N of cap
T22: start farming rice
T24: 8fp into settler. 2nd worker road 1N again
T25: Pottery done. Grow to start 3 on granary. Both workers farm
T26: road rice
T27: complete road of FP. 1t into cottage
T28: Cap is 3. Make settler using 10fhpt. Move workers to trees 2N and NE of cap
T32: Move both workers to PH NE of cap
T34: Settler done. Revolt. Road tile SE of stone
T35: 2turns of cottage? (maybe farm) N,NW of cap. I think 2nd city should start on a 12T worker.
T36: 2 more turns into cottage 1N of cap
T37: 1 worker starts road corn to prevent cap going unhealthy when it gets to 4. Other worker moves to S of cap
T38: Start chopping. Finish road.
T39: Back to cottaging N of cap, done next turn
T40: Cottage is done but we whipped that pop away by 2 slaving the granary. Maybe this requires examination.
T41: henge done EOT

[Alhazard]

I did realize that I can save all 5 trees to chop out TGL instead but I think the very slow start is not worth it.

[Alhazard]

I have to delay everything by a few turns to get out another warrior because ipecac decided to campout a forest. The upside is that I can connect corn sooner to avoid unhealthiness =(

[Alhazard]

I am so stupid I missed that he improved horses last turn. I can get my copper hooked in 4 turns but I might not have that much time!

He just researched TW last turn and he might have 2 workers by now so hook horse and 2nd city puts 1 turn into chariot, 1/4 for me.
Slave horse. 2/4 me
move horse, 3/4 me
Horse can fork copper and city 4/4.
now I can have 4 warriors to fight a chariot and the warrior but will it be enough???

If he whips two chariots. game is over. Commodore you should have not put horses so close to the capital in a duel map especially when the nearest copper is on a desert!

[Alhazard]

concede. Map was stupid.

[ipecac]

Yeah, copper cannot be improved quickly enough. Horse city can also share capital's rice.

Started with Hunting, needed Agri anyway so went AH with the plan to cripple with chariots and kill with keshiks. One main difference is that I went for Settler before second worker, but your copper hookup should still have been too slow. But anyway I had 2T advantage (went first + SPI) so I don't think you could have held unless you went for a really early Archery.

[Alhazard]

I mean you could settle on the copper but you had to rush hunting and there was no reason to research AH for me until 2nd city is planted so had no idea horses were so close by.

[ipecac]

To be fair to Commodore I didn't know horses would be that close; it was a gamble that paid off to go Agri-> AH (but not too risky a gamble since my Settler completed when I got BW so I could have settled Copper if horses were too far).