[Spoilers] It's time to play the music

[Old Harry]

Has Commodore quit already?

Edit:
Password is OH

Reference stuff at (t120) [128] 141

Mackoti
Willem of Viking (FIN/CRE)
Judaism, Gt LH, 5 land tiles, SoZ
(14) [14] 14 cities
TECHS:
Probably: Music,
Definitely: Calendar, Monarchy, CS, Philosophy, Nationalism, CoL, Aesthetics, Literature, Compass eot134, Machinery eot135, Theology eot 136, Optics eot141, Paper eot142, Education eot145
Check: Construction

Harry
Sury of Sumer (CRE/EXP)
MoM, Landlocked cap, TGWall, ToArtemis
(14) [16] 19 cities

Commodore/dtay
Cathy of Portugal (CRE/IMP)
Colossus, 5 land tiles
(14) [14] 14 cities

TBS
Ginghis of Zulu (AGG/IMP)
Landlocked capital
(17) [18] 18 cities

REM
Peter of Holy Rome (PHI/EXP)
Buddhist Shrine, Hanging Gardens, 5 land
(14) [15] 16 cities

Pindicator
Charlie of America (PRO/IMP)
Stonehenge, Landlocked cap, War with 2metraninja
(14) [14] 15 cities

OT4E
Sitting Bull of Inca (PRO/PHI)
Hindu shrine, Oracled Monarchy, 8 land tiles in start square, TGWall, ToArtemis
(11) [10] 10 cities
TECHS:
Definitely: Construction, HBR, Metal Casting, CoL eot144, CS eot149

2Metra
Boudica of India (AGG/CHA)
Mids, TGLibrary, Landlocked cap, War with Pindicator
(?) [?] 11 cities

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Has Commodore quit already?

He loves cylinders. I can't quite say why. I guess I can remake the PB18 map.

[wetbandit]

He loves cylinders. I can't quite say why. I guess I can replay the PB11 map.

[Old Harry]

He loves cylinders. I can't quite say why. I guess I can team up with Xenu to replay the PB11 map.

Something to do with winning the narrative I imagine.

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Anyhow lets try adding some content:

I'd like to play something I haven't played before so I'll steal this from my PB30 thread with some small changes:

My trait history:
(ordered by how powerful I think they are in RTR - imagine that the gaps between them are very narrow)

ORGANISED - not played (PB30 doesn't count)
SPIRITUAL - played twice (once in RTR)
PROTECTIVE - not played
FINANCIAL - played three times (once in RTR)
EXPANSIVE - played once
IMPERIALISTIC - played in RTR
CREATIVE - not played
AGGRESSIVE - played in RTR
INDUSTRIOUS - not played
PHILOSOPHICAL - not played (PB30 doesn't count)
CHARISMATIC - not played

So PRO/ORG would be my ideal... but what did the Good Lord Ceiliazul and the Holy RNG give me?

Qin (IND/PRO) of Rome (Fish/Mine, Praet, Forum)
for +50% wonders and +100% Forges, Walls and Granaries, CG 1 + Drill 1 on Archery + Gunpowder.

I'd like to play PRO, but IND doesn't inspire me much. The Praet with 50% city attack could be interesting but the Forum without EXP won't get built early.

Sury (EXP/CRE) of Sumer (Agri/Wheel, Vulture, Ziggurat)
for +2 health, +2 culture, +35% worker & Work boat, +100% Aqueduct, Harbor, Market, Grocer, Observatory, Theatre, Colosseum.

I've slagged off CRE in my time, but this combo could be the one to open my eyes - there's anti-synergy with getting early Priesthood for Zigs, but you don't need to get Zigs that early, they only cost 90 hammers (a big deal in RTR) and the techs cost just over half the beakers of Code of Laws alone, so when you need them they arrive earlier. Meanwhile you've got a fast start and flexible dotmapping . Then there is the Vulture, which I'm not sure how to value - it loses to Axes but wins more against everything else .

Washington (EXP/CHA) of England (Fish/Mining, Redcoat, Stock Exchange)
for +2 health, +2 happy, +35% worker & Work boat, +100% Aqueduct, Harbor, Market, Grocer, -25% XP needed and +1 happy from broadcast tower.

A fast starting civ growing into a big happy cap? Seems pretty neat . Redcoat and Stock Exchange come a bit late to be too helpful though.

Conclusion:
I haven't played any of these in RTR , so I'll be happy whatever happens. In the absence of map script and size info and without seeing starting screenie I'm leaning toward Sury. If it's a map script that's light on happy but heavy on food EXP/CHA could nudge ahead. If its jungly, watery or borders are likely to touch by t50 then the Praet could tempt me.

[Old Harry]

Looking at what the others have I'm most worried about:

TBS Ginghis of Zulu

Mackoti Willem of Viking

2Metra Boudica of India

Piindicator Toku of Egypt or Brennus of China

Also looking at the final list of players I'll make a wild pre-game prediction that the final score order at the end of the game is:
Mack
TBS
OT4E
REM
Pindi
Me
Commodore
2MetraNinja

[Old Harry]

And lets have a Mod details post for the full Rego (I've edited the original .6 post to be correct for .4. I hope.)

Full change log found below:

Change log: Change log 2.0.7.4

Traits:

Financial: +1 commerce on all non-river tiles that have 2+ commerce. +100% production of Bank.

Expansive: +2 health per city. +35% production of Worker, Work Boat. +100% production of Market, Aqueduct, Grocer, Harbor.

Creative: +2 culture per city. +100% production of Theatre, Colosseum, Observatory.

Charismatic: +2 happiness. +1 happiness from Broadcast Tower. -25% XP needed for promotions.

Protective: Free City Garrison 1, Drill 1 promo for archery and gunpowder units. +100 production of Granary, Walls.

Imperialistic: +100% Great General emergence. +60% production of Settler. +100% production of Custom House

Aggressive: Free C1 promo for melee and gunpowder units. -25% city maintenance [Not shown in trait description. Bonus not shown in interface. Bonus is multiplicative with other maintenance modifiers. Final displayed city maintenance value is correct and includes this bonus.] +100% production of Barracks, Stable, Drydock.

Philosophical: +150% Great Person production, +100% production of University

Organized, Industrious, Spiritual: No change from BtS

Civs:

America: UU is now Minuteman a Rifleman replacement with free Guerilla 1 and Woodsman 1. Mall is now a Grocer replacement that gives +1 happy from Deer, Sugar, Hit Musicals, Hit Movies, Hit Singles.

Arabia: Starts with Mysticism/Agriculture, instead of Mysticism/The Wheel. Madrassa cost decreased to 70 hammers from 90.

Byzantium: Starts with Mysticism/Fishing, instead of Mysticism/The Wheel. Cataphracts are 11 strength instead of 12, and are first strike immune (like normal knights).

Carthage: Cothon cost decreased to 80 hammers from 100 (now costs same as Harbor). Numidian Cavalry changed to a HA replacement with free C1.

Celts: Dun now gives G2, not G1. Dun civilopedia updated to list unit classes that recieve G2 promotion.

France: Salon +1 free specialist, -1 free artist.

Germany: UU is now the Kanone, a Cannon that costs 80 hammers instead of 100. Assembly Plant now available at Steam Power.

Inca: Terraces now give +1 culture instead of +2. Quechua loses combat 1.

India: Starts with Mysticism/Wheel instead of Mysticism/Mining. The Fast Worker now has Mobility (-1 Terrain Movement Costs), but does not get an extra movement point compared to normal workers.

Japan: UB is now Pagoda, an Observatory replacement with +10% hammers.

Korea: Starts with Agriculture/Minging, instead of Mysticism/Mining.

Portugal: Feitoria now costs 120h, from 180h.

Rome: Praetorian changed to a Swordsman replacement with +1 strength. Forum increased to +35% GPP generation from +25%.

Russia: UB is now Research Institute, a university replacement with +1 scientist specialist.

Vikings: Trading Post: Lighthouse replacement, +25% production of naval units, cost 60 hammers, requires Sailing.

Leaders:

Kublai Khan: Leader traits are now Charismatic, Creative, changed from Aggressive, Creative.

Civics:

Police State: Available at Military Science. Medium cost. +25% production of Military Units. -50% War Weariness.

Vassalage: Now provides free support for military units as well (meaning Pacifism is cheaper), and is Medium Upkeep.

Slavery: 30h for the 1st pop, 20h for the 2nd pop and subsequent pops. So, 30/50/70/90. On Quick speed, that's 20/33/46/60.

Serfdom: +75% Worker Speed, +1h for Watermills and Windmills.

Emancipation: Available at Democracy. Low cost. +1100% growth for cottage, hamlet, village. penalty for civs without.

Mercantilism: Available at Nationalism. +2 free specialists per city. Foreign trade route limit removed. Medium Upkeep.

Free Market: No longer provides -25% Corporate Costs. Now provides +25% Trade Route Yield.

Environmentalism: No longer provides +25% Corporate Costs, or +2 commerce to windmills. Provides +1 gold per specialist, +1c to farms and pastures, +2c to forest preserves, and Low upkeep. Swapped with Free Speech. Now available at Liberalism.

Free Speech: Available at Liberalism. Medium cost. +1 commerce from villages, +3 commerce from towns, +100% culture.

State property: Now Medium upkeep

Wonders, Projects:

Wonder Resource Doublers: All wonders that had +100% production with a specific resource now only have +50% production with that resource.

Rushmore: Now -50% WW, (from -25%).

Red Cross: 200h.

West Point: 550h, +5XP. Now requires a lvl 5 unit (17XP/13XP for Charismatic).

Great Lighthouse: Now +1 trade route instead of +2 trade routes, enabled at Masonry, but needs lighthouse and Sailing (no functional change in the tech requirements but makes F6 look less cluttered).

SoZ: no WW effect. Now +3XP, 200 hammers, no building prerequisites. No longer gets +100% production from Ivory.

The Internet: Now a wonder. 2k cost, +15% beakers in every city, +2 scientist gpp, double production speed with copper. No longer a project.

Cristo Redentur: +100% SPI production, -50% Anarchy instead of -100%.

SDI: Removed from the game

Base unit changes:

Scouts: Require no tech. Every player starts with a scout instead of a warrior.

Swordsman (and all replacements): +50% city attack

Archer (and all replacements): +30% defence against Swordsmen.

War Elephants: Now 7 str, +50% vs. Mounted units.

Trebuchet: Now requires Machinery, instead of Engineering.

SAM Infantry: 75% interception chance (up form 40%)

Destroyer: Now enabled at Artillery (not Combustion) (requires Oil OR Uranium)

Transport: Now enabled at Artillery (not Combustion) (requires Oil OR Uranium)

Mobile Artillery: Can now load guided Missiles and Tac Nukes (as Submarines and Missile Cruisers do). No longer require oil.

Gunships decreased to 3 moves.

ICBM: No longer unlimited range, but long enough so that they will out distance your army and navy easily, and they can be rebased. Loses the nuke tag. Does not need Manhattern project to be built.

• iCost: 450h
  
• iAirCombatLimit: 75
  
• iAirCombat: 160
  
• iCollateralDamageLimit: 75%
  
• iCollateralDamageMaxUnits: 12
  
• iAirRange: 36

Tactical Nukes: Now S80 1shot units that can bombard units, cause collateral damage to 5 units, cannot be intercepted. Loses the nuke tag. Does not need Manhattern project to be built. Full list of changes:

• iCost: 200h
  
• iAirCombatLimit: 75
  
• iAirCombat: 80
  
• iCollateralDamageLimit: 75%
  
• iCollateralDamageMaxUnits: 5
  
• iAirRange: 4

Guided Missiles: Can bombard units, tiles and cultural defence, cause collateral damage to 2 units, cannot be intercepted. Full list of changes (underline means original stat, for comparison):

• iCost: 60h
  
• iBombRate: 16
  
• iAirCombatLimit: 75
  
• iAirCombat: 40
  
• iCollateralDamage: 100
  
• iCollateralDamageLimit: 50%
  
• iCollateralDamageMaxUnits: 1
  
• iAirRange: 4

Flanking: Flanking strength (used to calculate damage from flanking strikes) or all units reduced by 50%.

Buildings:

Barracks: increased cost to 60 hammers, +1 culture.

Jails: now -50% War Weariness.

Castles (and replacement UB): no longer decrease bombardment rate of catapults or trebuchets.

Technology:

Known tech bonus no longer scales with total player number. Scales depending on the tech era of the most advanced player in the game:

Ancient: No bonus
Classical: +2% per met player with tech, max +60% (no further bonus after 30 players)
Medieval: +4% per met player with tech, max +60% (no further bonus after 15 players)
Rennaissance: +6% per met player with tech, max +60% (no further bonus after 10 players)
Industrial: +8% per met player with tech, max +80% (no further bonus after 10 players)
Modern: +8% per met player with tech, max +80% (no further bonus after 10 players)
Future: +8% per met player with tech, max +80% (no further bonus after 10 players)

Hunting: Enables pastures, cost increased by 50% from 40 to 60. No longer enables camps.

Animal Husbandry: Enables camps. No longer enables pastures.

Archery: Base tech cost decreased by two thirds, from 60 to 40.

Astronomy: Requires Code of Laws as mandatory prerequisite in addition to Calendar and Optics. No longer requires Paper.

Metal Casting: Cost reduced to 300.

Alphabet: No longer enables tech trading, allows Open Borders. Cost reduced to 250.

Writing: Enables Map trading, no longer enables OB.

Paper enables Tech Trading. Requires Metal Casting as mandatory prerequisite.

Renaissance era technology prices increased by a percentage of base BtS tech cost as follows:

• Education: +25%
  
• PP: +25%
  
• Nationalism: +25%
  
• Gunpowder: +25%
  
• Astronomy: +25%
  
• Economics: +50%
  
• Liberalism: +50%
  
• Replaceable Parts: +50%
  
• Military Tradition: +50%
  
• Constitution: +50%
  
• Chemistry: +50%
  
• Democracy: +75%
  
• Rifling: +75%
  
• Corporation: +75%
  
• Military Science: +75%
  
• Steel: +75%
  
• Steam Power: +75%
  
• Artillery: +100%
  
• Assembly Line: +100%
  
• Scientific Method: +100%
  
• Railroad: +100%

Cost of all subsequent techs increased by 100%

All medieval and earlier techs are untradeable:

The untradeable techs are as follows: Fishing, The Wheel, Agriculture, Hunting, Mysticism, Mining, Sailing, Pottery, Animal Husbandry, Archery, Meditation, Polytheism, Masonry, Horseback Riding, Priesthood, Monotheism, Bronze Working, Writing, Metal Casting, Iron Working, Aesthetics, Mathematics, Alphabet, Monarchy, Compass, Literature, Calendar, Construction, Currency, Machinery, Drama, Engineering, Code of Laws, Feudalism, Optics, Music, Philosophy, Civil Service, Theology, Divine Right, Paper, Guilds, Banking

Espionage:

Spies now spawn with "Secretive", and cannot see tiles except the one they're standing on.

The No Espionage game option now works properly:

• GSpy points are converted into Great Merchant points.
  
• Espionage no longer gets converted into culture.
  
• Cultural expansion now happens at normal values.
  
• Spies cannot be built.
  
• Graphs are always visible on contact.

Tile Changes:

Lumber Mills: Available at Machinery. +1 hammer, +1 commerce, +1 commerce from river (not corner plots)
Watermills: +1 base hammers, no longer receives +1h at Rep Parts.
Workshops: +1 base hammers, no longer receives +1h at Chemistry.
Mines: +1h at Rep Parts.
Quarry: +1h at Rep Parts.
Whaling Boats: Enabled at Sailing, not Optics. Otherwise unchanged.

Game Mechanics:

The Draft: Rifles now cost 2 pop to draft. A city must now end a draft at size 6 instead of size 5 (So size 8 to draft a rifle, size 7 to draft a musket).

Corporations: Completely removed from the game.

Culture required to achieve legendary border pop on Quick Speed changed from 25000 to 33000

Events:

The following events have been removed from the game:

Negative Events:
1. Forest Fire
5. Washed out
10 Careless apprentice
11. Famine
12. Slave revolt
15. Farm Bandits
18. Fugitive
19. Pestilence
21. Faux Pas
22. Joyous Wedding
23. Wedding Feud
24. Left at the Altar
26. Tornado
29. Looters
30. Brothers in need
31. Hurricane
32. Cyclone
33. Tsunami
34. Monsoon
35. Blizzard
36. Volcano
37. Dust Bowl
42. Clunker Coal
43. Sour crude
50. Mining accident
52. SetbackS
54. Great depression
55. Bermuda triangle
70. Influenza
71. Solo Flight
77. Ancient olympics
78. Modern olympics
80. Earth day
92. Cigarette Smoker
93. Heroic Gesture
94. Great Mediator
99. The Huns
100. The Vandals
101. the Goths
102. The Philistines
103. The Vedic Aryans
104. Holy ritual
132. Spoiled grain
135. Industrial fire
155. Slave revolt warning
160. Defecting agent
161. Jail
162. Spy discovered
163. Nuclear protests
165. Broken Dam
169. Toxcatl
170. Dissident Priest
172. Rogue station
174. Impeachment

Remove (Too good):
9. Hymns and sculptures
20. Marathon
28. Bards tale
64. Federal reserve
139. Partisans
167. Golden Buddha

Quests (Too good):
13. Blessed sea
121. Harbomaster
125. Sports league
149. Guns Butter
151. Overwhelm
152. Corporate expansion
153. Hostile takeover

Miscellaneous:

Coastal Blockade now has a range of 1 square around the blockader, instead of 3 squares.

AP Resolutions: Declare War (on a non-member), Force Peace (between two members), Religious victory, and Assign City are no longer eligible resolution actions.

Fail-gold: You never get fail-gold if you also completed the wonder somewhere else (so no National Wonder fail-gold, or doubling up on a wonder to guarantee yourself a paycheck. The game still informs you that you received "0 gold" from your hammers).

Hut techs: Can only gain techs from the first three rows of the tech screen:

Fishing, Sailing, Wheel, Pottery, Agriculture, Animal Husbandry, Hunting, Archery, Mysticism, Masonry, Priesthood, Mining, Bronze Working, Writing.

Toroidal maps: Now return city maintenance as if the map were Cylindrical.

Maximum number of players is now 40, up from 18.

Included additional bug fixes:

Trade route turn order bug.

Foreign trade route cities lost permanently when your city using those routes is destroyed (fix is taken from BTS unofficial patch).

Build culture double production.

Build wealth/research/culture + production automation double production.

Proposed trades including cities, where the cities no longer exist to be trades, are not cancelled (note: I consider this a bug because proposed trades are already cancelled if a player lacks the requisite e.g. resources/gold. could be considered not a bug).

Production decay counter on a type of build (e.g. axeman) is not reset after completing one if the next item in the queue is of the same type (fix is taken from BTS unofficial patch).

Feature growth/disappearance rates, and bonus discovery (mine pop) rates, do not scale with game speed.

Diplomacy Pausing: Diplomacy windows do not occur on game login whilst the game is paused.

Autosaves: Autosaves are generated at login and log out; log out saves are saved to a folder specified within the global defines XML file. Default location is C:\temp.

Observer mode

Observer mode is enabled and functional. Requires pitboss logging enabled, and for the host to run the observer program. Observer mode is then accessible at a preset web address. Only available in Pitboss, additional server side applications required for functionality, available from teh following links.

Pitboss Observer: https://github.com/novice-rb/observer
Pitboss Portal: https://github.com/novice-rb/pitboss-portal

[Ceiliazul]

Also looking at the final list of players I'll make a wild pre-game prediction that the final score order at the end of the game is:
Mack
TBS
OT4E
REM
Pindi
Me
Commodore
2MetraNinja

How much does thant change if the civ/leaders were all duplicates (everyone has sury of sumer) I.e. How much are the civ/leaders going to swing things?

[wetbandit]

Signing in to dedlurk because maybe I'll learn how to play brass civ better here.

[ipecac]

Tentative sign in to dedlurk until the thread becomes uninteresting and/or you get rushed

[Old Harry]

Signing in to dedlurk because maybe I'll learn how to play brass civ better here.

Going on how our currently running games are going I'll clearly be asking you for tips!

Tentative sign in to dedlurk until the thread becomes uninteresting and/or you get rushed

That never happened . And welcome! Glad to have you aboard the good ship Titanic. Ceil - I think this news revises my predicted position up one place.

What do you guys feel like doing? Sims/C&D/Opponent analysis/grand strategy/Monday morning quarterbacking/disassociating yourselves from the shame as I trail in last? I can try and tailor things to enable any of those.