AP Victory Vote ... or Not?

[Ruff_Hi]

Consider this situation ...

- 2 large continents
- 3 players left in the game
- Player A has all of one continent
- Players B and C share the other continent
- Players A and B are about equal in tech
- Player C is behind but is Protective

Player B ramps up tank, bomber and navel production and declares war on C but doesn't really get anywhere as C is able to mass produce artillery and anti-tank. The war turns into a war of attrition that B will eventually win.

Meanwhile, Player A completes the Manhattan Project and proceeds to nuke B with 5 nukes. Stopping Bs ability to war with C. B is set back, signs peace deal with C and starts to build his own nukes. A rains another 25 nukes onto B totally limiting his ability to do anything.

Now, B has been trying to tell A that over use of nukes has consequences. A arrogantly laughs in his face with comments such as 'Consequences schmonsequences'.

C is the AP President. The UN has not been completed. B tells C that if he proposes an AP victory, B will vote for C ... really ... anything to stop A from winning.

B's argument is that he can't win and his major objective is to make sure that A doesn't win.

So ... what would you do? Pose the AP victory vote? Say that A deserves his victory? Other?

[Qgqqqqq]

Diplomacy game makes it weird, but broadly speaking: No. There is no situation I can comprehend where a serious AP vote would be justifiable.

I mean, sounds like a concession is completely warranted, too.

[Gavagai]

If I AP victory isn't banned by house rules (assumed) than, by all means, C should go for it.

[picklepikkl]

What Gavagai said. If diplo victory is an allowed win condition, then it's an allowed win condition.

[BRickAstley]

This is why Diplomacy VCs in a multiplayer game flat out don't make sense.

[Commodore]

This isn't Civ4, this is Diplomacy. C should win at Diplomacy by Diplomacy, nothing wrong about that.

[scooter]

If I was A and that happened to me... I would 1) declare myself the winner anyway and feel satisfied that I won and 2) never play a game with B and C again.

[T-hawk]

If I AP victory isn't banned by house rules (assumed) than, by all means, C should go for it.

This. If A doesn't want to lose by AP vote, then he could have done any of the following:
- disabled it in game setup
- banned it by house rule
- not antagonized B into this situation
- spread the AP religion himself to get enough votes to stop it
- nuke and raze the AP city

[Ruff_Hi]

I am B in this situation .. and if A hadn't nuked me 20 times just for shits and giggles, I would still be playing to win. As it is, my land is all glowing and I have no chance to win. I now don't want A to win ... hence my leaning on C to put the AP victory to the vote.

This is very similar to what happened to me in PBEM#1 ... I was a dick to the 3rd place player (late in the game) and he and #2 player <name escapes me now> put a UN victory vote to the game and #2 won.

Interesting, in a different game, I am the AP president and the game has just given me the option to vote for a Diplo victory. One player is miles and miles ahead of us and I was more than willing to concede the game to him about 20 turns ago. Now, the whole world is waring against him and he is winning with his rifles and cavalry v our muskets and knights.

I actually stand a very good chance of winning if I put the AP vote ... not sure what to do at this stage. I might put the vote and then abstain myself so that I can't win.

[Dreylin]

This is very similar to what happened to me in PBEM#1 ... I was a dick to the 3rd place player (late in the game) and he and #2 player <name escapes me now> put a UN victory vote to the game and #2 won.

Huh, I only kind-of remember that's how I won ... guess I should go back and read that some time.

I do remember you being a dick to Soooooo, though!