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Sorry for double post, I accidentally hit the post button too early on the last one due to phone. Anyway, I was under the impression that mafia lover was a terrible role because it there were any village lovers (who would have to die for the mafia to win the game) the mafia lover would die too. This would basically make the role incredibly weak as the player would have to die for their side to win, thus making their objective harder.
I also don't plan to post much on the first day unless some decent posts/cases appear. Day 1 generally devolves into pure meta pretty fast unless someone embarrasses themselves and gets lyched, which seems pointless to engage in.
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Slightly confused about the setup. It lists both me and Psilly throwing away one-shot vigs, but roles list only has one. List not up to date with your modifications, Jabbz?
Rowain let me guess, you're going to survive a lot of nights, won't you?
@DP101, RB-meta will ensure you'll be lynched with that planned play 
My anonymous discard was Mafia goon.
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(July 5th, 2016, 15:10)Dp101 Wrote: Checking in during my lunch. AdrienIer, why exactly do you think that mafia lover is a strong role?
Maybe not so much a strong role as a fun role. The toughest roles, but also most rewarding to pull off (and in my opinion, most fun to try to pull off) are lover with different affiliation and SK. In that order. And out of the two lovers the most fun to play (because there are more possibilities) is the mafia one.
Regardless, discarded mafia is a null tell, I'm just saying I'd have put it high on my wanted list (and would only discard it if I had something really strong)
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(July 5th, 2016, 15:16)Dp101 Wrote: Sorry for double post, I accidentally hit the post button too early on the last one due to phone. Anyway, I was under the impression that mafia lover was a terrible role because it there were any village lovers (who would have to die for the mafia to win the game) the mafia lover would die too. This would basically make the role incredibly weak as the player would have to die for their side to win, thus making their objective harder.
I also don't plan to post much on the first day unless some decent posts/cases appear. Day 1 generally devolves into pure meta pretty fast unless someone embarrasses themselves and gets lyched, which seems pointless to engage in.
Mafia lover + town lover means they have to be the only ones to survive till the end. Which makes it super fun.
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Right, but as a beginner it makes no sense for me to deliberately play a very difficult role, right?
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(July 5th, 2016, 15:21)Meiz Wrote: Slightly confused about the setup. It lists both me and Psilly throwing away one-shot vigs, but roles list only has one. List not up to date with your modifications, Jabbz?
I would guess so as Hider was also discarded twice and I know 1-shot governor was also there twice
(July 5th, 2016, 15:21)Meiz Wrote: @DP101, RB-meta will ensure you'll be lynched with that planned play
I was going to post exactly that 
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Can't fault DP101 for chucking a Lover, it makes you about twice as likely to die every phase on average, even if the lovers share a topic.
The vanilla people there isn't much to say about. I can see somebody listing VT second so it would show up as their discard and deflect suspicion, but power role townies as well as mafiosos could want to do that. I am interested in knowing why Rowain immediately claimed his other discard, it is not as if a displayed discard of VT puts pressure on you to reveal your other roles.
Adrien, you don't think that 1-shot Vig is a stronger role than 1-shot Governor? The big problem I see with Governor is that it only wastes a Day phase; unless a Cop scan arises or the person who was saved dies overnight the conversation in the next day phase will surely return to them.
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(July 5th, 2016, 15:23)Dp101 Wrote: Right, but as a beginner it makes no sense for me to deliberately play a very difficult role, right?
Oh yes sorry I didn't realize you were a beginner. That makes sense then.
And I see that some people are claiming their anonymous discards. Mine is 1-shot vig (there's only one in the list but I suppose the picks were done with replacement).
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(July 5th, 2016, 15:26)Fenn Wrote: Adrien, you don't think that 1-shot Vig is a stronger role than 1-shot Governor? The big problem I see with Governor is that it only wastes a Day phase; unless a Cop scan arises or the person who was saved dies overnight the conversation in the next day phase will surely return to them.
The whole point is that if you're wrong about governing somebody a cop could theoretically confirm it (and if it's a split vote like 3/3/2 the saved person could avoid being lynched the next day anyway due to others being more suspicious). If you use your 1-time kill and you kill a townie you'll have had a clearly negative impact on town no matter what (you could also be seen by a watcher/tracker and mistakenly lynched the next day, which makes it even worse).
Overall I usually have more "clear town" tells than "clear scum" tells so I'd rather be able to clear people from my town list
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(July 5th, 2016, 15:26)Fenn Wrote: I am interested in knowing why Rowain immediately claimed his other discard, it is not as if a displayed discard of VT puts pressure on you to reveal your other roles.
The discussion about the secret roles would come anyway and better to start it now. The longer scum has time the easier they can come up with claims if they threw away powerroles.
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