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OK, fine. My anonymous discard was vanilla townie, for what it's worth. Not sure that claiming our anonymous discards will really allow us to break the meta with process of elimination, though, especially since there seems to be something weird going on in the setup with roles showing up twice.
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(July 5th, 2016, 15:21)Meiz Wrote: Slightly confused about the setup. It lists both me and Psilly throwing away one-shot vigs, but roles list only has one. List not up to date with your modifications, Jabbz?
Rowain let me guess, you're going to survive a lot of nights, won't you?
@DP101, RB-meta will ensure you'll be lynched with that planned play 
My anonymous discard was Mafia goon.
Sorry it was discussed during setup, and I forgot to mention it directly in the game notes. All draws were true random, the picks were not pulled from the pool each time. Theoretically the game could have drawn 12 docs cops and Godfathers.
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(July 5th, 2016, 15:47)Psillycyber Wrote: OK, fine. My anonymous discard was vanilla townie, for what it's worth. Not sure that claiming our anonymous discards will really allow us to break the meta with process of elimination, though, especially since there seems to be something weird going on in the setup with roles showing up twice.
Oh it is not intended to break the meta but it is very interesting to see what people claim they have discarded and what people claim they have kept instead.
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To clarify, what we discussed in the signup thread was how to avoid the game completely falling into meta. By giving up discards, it gives more information to start day 1. By not giving up the setup (ie the list is only the possible options for my random number generator to pick from, with each choice staying in the pool for the next pull) there is no way to break it down into pure meta. I hope that makes it more clear.
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(July 5th, 2016, 14:31)Rowain Wrote: Well well Day 1 starts and for half an hour nobody posts?
Additional to the vanilla townie I also discarded 1-shot Governor. I kept another role that is absolutely fitting to me  .
It is my intention to claim it around lynch-time (either before or after depending what I deem better) so I'm very interested to learn what was the reason for zak to discard it and what was his 2nd discarded role.
novice
My second discard was a mafia doctor. Why are you so interested in me discarding 1-shot governor? It's a weak town role, and you yourself ranked it below VT. I kept something I consider a stronger role.
Novice, why didn't you rank the godfather as your third choice?
I don't get the usual wash of town-vibes from AdrienIer, for some reason.
How do people rank the hider role? (Psilly already commented on this.) I see two people discarded it, and I'm curious in particular why AdrienIer did that, if he likes to clear people. It looks fun to play, too.
By the way, Psilly - please don't spoiler your posts for length. It just makes it harder to read the thread. Spoilering long quotes is fine.
If you know what I mean.
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(July 5th, 2016, 15:39)Rowain Wrote: The discussion about the secret roles would come anyway and better to start it now. The longer scum has time the easier they can come up with claims if they threw away powerroles.
Makes sense. Thinking about it more, a townie's secret discard ought to be weaker (or at least much less fun) than their public discard, so it doesn't benefit scum to air them out.
My second discard was Enabler. Didn't see anything interesting coming from it. I'd have taken Hider absent any particularly strong roles, it's not very useful but it is fun to think about who you should hide behind and possibly how to breadcrumb your hiding choices.
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(July 5th, 2016, 16:33)zakalwe Wrote: I don't get the usual wash of town-vibes from AdrienIer, for some reason.
Do you mean that you think I'm playing like last game ?
(July 5th, 2016, 16:33)zakalwe Wrote: How do people rank the hider role? (Psilly already commented on this.) I see two people discarded it, and I'm curious in particular why AdrienIer did that, if he likes to clear people. It looks fun to play, too.
By the way, Psilly - please don't spoiler your posts for length. It just makes it harder to read the thread. Spoilering long quotes is fine.
Hider is awkward to use. If you hide behind scum you die and if you hide behind someone targeted by the night kill you die. It's like being a cop except you can only clear people and you can't confirm someone you suspect as scum.
Either way I put it second because I liked my other choice better.
I think some people tried to game the setup by putting their choices in the order 1/3/2 so that if they had their first choice they'd get less suspicions. Zak's question to novice suggests that, and it's definitely what Rowain did (consciously or not). It makes sense for someone to do that if he intends to play scum, a little less if he wants to play town.
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One other thing to think about: because all of the draws were true-random, we really just have to take people's word for it that they are being honest about their anonymous discards. Scum can say whatever will make them look the best or seem the most plausible, and there's no way we will ever be able to catch them in a lie. So, how much do we really gain from having everyone claim their anonymous discards? Now that I think about it, it seems like a distraction to muddy the waters and get us leaning towards falsely-clearing scum that offer plausible-sounding anonymous discard choices.
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The Doctor is...out! Sorry gents, you'll be stitching up your own wounds.
I also have no memory of my childhood dabblings with The Wheel of Time, so there will be no roleplay from me this time.
It's a bit early to be getting a wash of town vibes from anyone, isn't it Zak? As for Hider, I think that it is a -good- role, but not a very fun one, as it can lead to the player acidently committing suicide. I would probably chuck it for anything else of equalish power.
If the pool is totally random for each of us, then I guess there is no harm in saying that I also discarded 1-Shot Vigilante. Not a popular role, it seems. We're all a bit gun-shy after the saloon? What were your feelings about that role, Meiz?
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(July 5th, 2016, 16:47)AdrienIer Wrote: Do you mean that you think I'm playing like last game ?
Not exactly. I tried playing blind in that game and thought you were town until I checked the scum thread.
But I usually have an early town read on you when you're town, too.
(July 5th, 2016, 16:54)Psillycyber Wrote: One other thing to think about: because all of the draws were true-random, we really just have to take people's word for it that they are being honest about their anonymous discards. Scum can say whatever will make them look the best or seem the most plausible, and there's no way we will ever be able to catch them in a lie. So, how much do we really gain from having everyone claim their anonymous discards? Now that I think about it, it seems like a distraction to muddy the waters and get us leaning towards falsely-clearing scum that offer plausible-sounding anonymous discard choices.
To me, the point of claiming the anonymous discards is more just to get people talking. And I don't see how it helps the mafia. Nobody should be cleared for coming up with a plausible-sounding second discard.
If you know what I mean.
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