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You say you're putting together a list of who might be sick of it, but again that's completely subjective and a completely meta argument for lynching me.
(July 6th, 2016, 04:38)Jkaen Wrote: Defending your reasoning as you did in the unquoted bit is fine, but revenge voting on a reasonable early day suspicion just seems a bit desperate.
I'm not sure how its desperate. I am not revenge voting so much as voting for something I think is suspicious. Its very early Day 1, to characterize it as desperate is a bit weird.
(July 6th, 2016, 04:40)Jkaen Wrote: Tell you what lets look at things a different way. Ignoring the people behind the choices, do you feel that a declared discard of mafia by 5 people from 12 was to be expected?
Depends entirely on the RNG. I'm not surprised if that's what you mean. There are scum and maybe they are lying about their discards, but I sincerely doubt that all scum claimed scum discards. I really think its scummy (or foolish) to focus so arbitrarily like this. What if all the scum claimed townie discards? You want to focus on scum discards but that would set our focus only on townies.
I assume that everybody is considering all the meta reasons, but I have a hard time thinking any argument that is 100% meta substantiated is being proffered with the best intentions.
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My thoughts are as follows:
Right now we have very little info, so what seems weird about the discards?
Rowain's discard order and the high number of scum stood out as a bit odd.
Decided the number of scum discards was odder so that focused me to looking at 5 people at this time
Of those 5 which is the least likely case of the discard, I went for you, but i acknowledge that's quite subjective
All scum could well have claimed town discards, I am not saying I have a solid 100% case, but its a tell which is worth following up given I believe there are no stronger tells out there right now. Note I never claimed that all scum have claimed scum discards, I am trying to find a single scum to lynch right now.
I expected that all 5 people today would explain the reasons they didnt want to pay scum and I would end up on one of them, I didnt expect the process itself to be attacked though, as I think for a early day 1 lead it as good as any.
Additionally how am I setting all the village focus on the 5 people only who may be townies, if you want to investigate the rowain discard order, the doctor / back up doctor lead, or another lead go for it, I am not stopping you
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(July 6th, 2016, 05:12)Jkaen Wrote: I expected that all 5 people today would explain the reasons they didnt want to pay scum and I would end up on one of them, I didnt expect the process itself to be attacked though, as I think for a early day 1 lead it as good as any.
Your premise makes an assumption that completely depends on the person. I don't think there's much you can get out of it, however I'm not against people explaining why they wouldn't want to play as scum. For me, I've played scum 2 times, won the both games and haven't enjoyed it either time. Too time consuming and stressful for my taste. I've always liked the mystery solving part of these games and the reason I signed up here was the fact that I'd have much bigger chance to play as town.
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I can understand that thought process, but I think what really twigs me is that you aren't just voting for people who made mafia discards, you specifically asked me how long its been in a separate post and then later come at me for that. That's less of the ordered approach you are describing and more of a targeted approach on me. So if you see me attacking the process it's because you it appears you aren't using the process as you described it. Rather than objective it feels like I was the primary target and the process was reverse engineered to lead to me.
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(July 6th, 2016, 05:30)Lewwyn Wrote: I can understand that thought process, but I think what really twigs me is that you aren't just voting for people who made mafia discards, you specifically asked me how long its been in a separate post and then later come at me for that. That's less of the ordered approach you are describing and more of a targeted approach on me. So if you see me attacking the process it's because you it appears you aren't using the process as you described it. Rather than objective it feels like I was the primary target and the process was reverse engineered to lead to me.
Fair enough I guess I could see that as the timeline of my thought process differs from the timeline of posting my thoughts
(the above made sense in my head, not sure its written well, but I hope you get what I mean)
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(July 6th, 2016, 02:26)Prometheus1998_ Wrote: I do, however, find Gaz and Fenn discarding Doctor and Backup Doctor INCREDIBLY suspicious. Both are highly beneficial to Town. Backup Doctor, I feel, is an even more significant discard than Doctor, because it had half the probability of being drawn than a regular Doctor, according to the list in the original post.
Thus, from a strategic standpoint, a backup doctor is more valuable to town than any other role except doctor. So, Fenn has my vote.
Hi Prometheus, this is your first game isn’t it? Welcome to the monkey house!
I don’t quite understand your reasoning here. Backup doctor is more unlikely to draw, but how does that then make discarding it more suspicious? Why vote Fenn over me?
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Fenn, forgive my memory lapses - how many games have you played now? And have you played scum before?
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(July 6th, 2016, 03:59)Jkaen Wrote: Oh, and I wanted to poke Gaz with my earlier vote to see how he would defend the doctor discard, I think his explanation is fine, and he certainly would have known the heat that the discard would get him should he discard it for Mafia.
I missed that the fist time. What did Gaz say to explain his discard ? The only thing I can find is his first post where he acknowledges discarding the doctor and says he also discarded 1-shot vig. All this without explanation.
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(July 6th, 2016, 05:58)AdrienIer Wrote: (July 6th, 2016, 03:59)Jkaen Wrote: Oh, and I wanted to poke Gaz with my earlier vote to see how he would defend the doctor discard, I think his explanation is fine, and he certainly would have known the heat that the discard would get him should he discard it for Mafia.
I missed that the fist time. What did Gaz say to explain his discard ? The only thing I can find is his first post where he acknowledges discarding the doctor and says he also discarded 1-shot vig. All this without explanation.
(July 6th, 2016, 03:34)Gazglum Wrote: As for Herr Doktoring, I agree that it might be the strongest role in a vaccuum. However it's not that likely to pay off until the mid-late game, and whatever team I play, I traditionally don't make it that far. Thining specifically about how far I could expect to get in this game, there are several roles I would place above it.
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Oh yeah I missed that one
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