WW #43 - The Asha'man

[Psillycyber]

You haven't found enough strong reasons to move your vote yet, Meiz? Really? You imply that you are about to move your vote. To whom? Time's ticking down to commit to a real lynch option.

[Meiz]

I'm voting AdrienIer atm.

[AdrienIer]

Oh my, wrong time to go away, is it ? Well I'll very soon be off to watch the game, so I hope I can avoid a last minute lynch with this post.

Two people have said Lewwyn misunderstood them, and I can see why they would think that. I'm not going as far as saying that he deliberately misunderstood them, that would need more certainty than I have about the issue.

This is exactly the wavering I have a problem with. You listed Lewwyn in your "I would vote for him"-list but the reason you give is a "Others have claimed he misunderstood them" nothing of your own no case of your own.

Gazglum's case is not done with Meiz as scum. He never says Meiz is scum explicitly. And everything Gazglum said also works with SK-Meiz.

Again it is Gazglums case not yours. No opinion of your own?

For me it looks like you don't want to get your hands dirty.

Big news, you've found a player with no certainty on D1.
Basically I found Psi shady as hell, other followed, then I tried to set up a second wagon to see who would react (no movement would make me lean more town on Psi, more movement more scum, and depending on who moved most suspiciously we could have had a headstart on D2). So I tried to make another wagon happen, and went for those (there weren't many) who I felt uneasy about or whom other had found scummy. I expected to vote Psilly at the end, and I do now : Psillycyber

This is typical, you spend a whole game failing to get people to lynch Adrien, and then suddenly everybody wants to do it at once.

Adrien, I don't think Meiz is very likely to be a serial killer, if it helps. How do you feel about his response to me?

Ok.
Meiz's response to you was fine, I was staying on him mainly to see who would jump in opportunistically.

This comment from Adrien about Meiz I don't like. It's as if he's basing his suspicion of Meiz off of him not specifically denying wanting to play SK. That's a flimsy meta argument if I ever saw one. And his run of justifying his stances with other people's reaction to Lewwyn and Gaz's case on Meiz is bizarre behaviour for a town. Don't you want to make your own opinions known?

I didn't base my SK suspicions on the fact that that he didn't deny playing sk, but that's why I thought SK was more likely than scum.

Two people have wondered whether you were deliberately misunderstanding them. Like scum trying to twist their words to make them look bad. It makes me wonder if they were right. But that's not enough to get me to vote for you yet.

This is crazy. Lynch by proxy basically. You are willing to vote for me because someone else says they think I was deliberately misunderstanding them, but you don't presume to have an opinion on it? You'll just take it at their word? It reeks of let's just lynch anyone that isn't me.

Your list of who you'd be willing to lynch includes DP who you apparently are willing to lynch, but you also think his comment about me makes me lynchable. What? It's like you are saying you don't trust me because someone else you don't trust said something about not trusting me.

I'm seriously torn here because between you and psi I'm having a hard time deciding who is scummier.

Good god, I give a suspicion list, you all ask me to explain why I put you into this list but at no time did any of you ask me if it was a strong suspicion. It's not. If I had to put it in order it would probably have been (and would still be) Psilly>>Dp101=SK-Meiz>Lewwyn.

And while I do suspect Dp101 it doesn't mean that I can't read what he says and think about it. On D1 my suspicions aren't strong so he would still have at least 50% chance of being town. That means that there's an over 50% chance that 2 townies think you've been misreading them on purpose (minus the chance that Jkaen is scum of course).

[Psillycyber]

I'm voting AdrienIer atm.

Oh, OK, I guess I must have missed where you switched.

Considering that AdrienIer is not really under threat at the moment, I don't think this would really count as a bus, so Meiz and AdrienIer both being scum is still plausible.

[Gazglum]

Well I think I've ridden the Meiz vote for as long as I care to. Meiz, you are not my man tonight. I still think it's been a bit of a lazy day from you, but you did explain your Godfather comment, and I hadn't realised that you were responding to a joke from Lewwyn in your comments to him.

Plus, once Adrien and Psilly have mounted up behind me, its time to get off the wagon.

Psilly, my loyal padawan, my strong right arm...I smell a rat.

I do see a lot of hiding behind others' opinions coming from Meiz, and a lack of taking a stand on any issue when his arguments imply that he should do so (such as AdrienIer as scum). Good lead, Gazglum!

And to those of you saying that this is the sort of case that I should have been making (now I see others are using the "Y U NO LIKE GAZ?!" card): well, boo-de-frickin'-hoo, I'm not omniscient, so sue me. I don't see everything. Gazglum did a good job of reading between the lines here to pick up on these vibes, and maybe my scumdar just isn't that good. But now that Gazglum has gotten my attention onto Meiz, let's see what Meiz had to say in his defense following up:

This just feels like buddying to me. Your praising me, and swinging in behind me for a case that, frankly, I don't think is that strong anymore. I have concerns you are playing on our partnership last game.

If I made a good case on Meiz, and you also think that Meiz is likely scum, why do you then say that you are still in 'wait and see mode' on me, while people like Jkaen get a town lean? That hurts my feelings, and also seems inconsistent.

I feel like Adrien performed...poorly in the last 6 hours. You seemed to basically ignore this until called directly to comment. That seems odd to me as well.

I'm going to reread Adrien before I vote.

[Jkaen]

Not really feeling the Adrien vote at all, i think he is just trying to hunt as best as he can.

Lewwyn, after what seemed to me to be a revenge vote has actually used logic to kill my theory, which is fine and good, so he is off the list for now

Meiz, I can't get a handle on his play, feeling a bit off but can't really put my finger on it.

Still find the order of discards of both Rowain and DP a bit odd, so i am sticking with my vote for now

[Jkaen]

Just looked at the posting lists, Meiz and Fenn have posted very little. I actually recall noticing Meiz's posts though, Fenn seems to be drifting through the day.

Right now Meiz, Fenn, Rowain and DP are the 4 i wouldnt object to lynching, psi is neutral on me right now

[novice]

Psilly, I think you're completely misreading Lewwyn.

What's your read on him, novice? I know that I've sidetracked his attention to protecting himself against my attacks, although really, it's not like he has had more than 1 or 2 votes on him this entire time, so he should feel some leisure to attend to other considerations in the game and let my attacks speak for themselves if he thinks they are so self-evidently laughable rather than respond to them IN EARNEST. Anyways, what do you think Lewwyn has contributed, novice?

Misreading not only his alignment but the contents of his posts in general. My comment was meant to encourage you to take a second look at your interactions with Lewwyn, and I felt that as town you should be able to see where you're misreading him. Instead you're just trying to whip up more support for lynching him, without looking back.

So, to address your other comment, I don't think I'll be backing off from you. OK, the WW42 vibes of the "too wrong to be scum" variety are still there, but I'd rather mislynch you today than tomorrow.

[Gazglum]

On Adrien,

Saying that Meiz looks like a serial killer is just bizarre to me. Mathematically its improbable, and if we're going to come back to the idea of splitting hairs, it seems weird to be so carefully distuinguishing between gradations of evil based on very slender Day 1 cases.

I can see some logic in his argument against Lewwyn, that you should take other people's hunches into account. But when pushed on it, he really should have been able to come up with an opinion of his own, instead:

But Dp101 saying that he felt Lewwyn was deliberately misunderstanding him deserves to be put in Lewwyn's record for later consideration.

That's a slimy way of throwing some mud. "Put on the record for later".

But that's about it. So while I think his play today deserves to be in the record for later consideration....

Psillycyber

Good luck in the football tonight Adrien! Though I was sad you guys slaughtered my Icelandic friends, you did so very elegantly.

[Psillycyber]

Fenn has me concerned as well. Very little output of any substance.