WW #43 - The Asha'man

[Jkaen]

Maybe the actual target hid behind Adrien? The way I understand the Hider role, if the person the Hider chooses to hide behind is targeted by a night kill, then the Hider dies as well, but if the Hider is targeted, then the person they hid behind dies in their stead.

While that wasn't my interpretation of how hider works, i just had a look at the PM when I asked about how it works, and it doesn't explicitly say it doesn't work as you have said

[Dp101]

Well this is unexpected. I agree with the vig theories, seems like a hotblooded villager who couldn't wait a day to kill them. They could have also died to a SK, but that holds about as much water as the vig theory, still hard to figure out why they would choose that target. I guess we probably won't know what happened for a few days when more lynch results and nightkills reveal some alignments.

I hesitate to post a vote right now, both Jkaen and Meiz have theories that appear pretty decent but Jkaen's meta-based attacks on me feel like pressure applied for minor meta tells and Meiz hasn't really done much to convince me he is town, so I don't really think I can trust their motivation.

[Jkaen]

so I don't really think I can trust their motivation.

Adrien was a mason, hence there must be another mason, unless anybody else comes forward I am a guaranteed villager

[AdrienIer]

That was unexpected...
Good luck town !

[Dp101]

so I don't really think I can trust their motivation.

Adrien was a mason, hence there must be another mason, unless anybody else comes forward I am a guaranteed villager

Good point, I will reconsider.

[Rowain]

so I don't really think I can trust their motivation.

Adrien was a mason, hence there must be another mason, unless anybody else comes forward I am a guaranteed villager

1) Why must there be another Mason just because Adrien was one? There is no proof of that. Going from the setup thread
the only thing that is stated there is:
Mason: If there are other Masons in the game, you will form a Mason group with them. There will be a Mason QT that can be used pre-game and during the Night.

Given that he would have been lynched has Jabbz counted right either you lie or you 2 are full blown idiots.

2) Why wouldn't he got nightkilled? Scum has often nk-ed the second suspect to throw town into chaos and don't leave tracks.

[Jkaen]

Given that he would have been lynched has Jabbz counted right either you lie or you 2 are full blown idiots.

Or we were not on at lynch.

When I last logged on it was something like 7,3,1,1 hence while he was second he was far from in trouble

[Rowain]

Right my vote is Rowain

1. weird ordering of roles i always felt was off

Please stuff this sh*t for heavens sake. No more of your"he ordered the roles not how I would have ordered them". Do you realise that I had no need to talk about ordering Governor as third if I had any intention to lie? There are enough roles who are worse to put like that (lover for example for which I can easily proof my comments in the last pick your role game.

Decided it was safe to place your vote there now since it wasnt getting traction?

You know I omly moved of after DP101 provided an explanation? And accusing me that I wanted to stay safe on a place without traction while I was pushing the Adrien waggon left right and center is blantant misiunterpretation.

Anybody else finds it odd that Mason Jkaen preferred to keep his vote on non-target Dp101 while his Mason-buddy Adrien was in mortal danger to swing?

[Rowain]

Given that he would have been lynched has Jabbz counted right either you lie or you 2 are full blown idiots.

Or we were not on at lynch.

When I last logged on it was something like 7,3,1,1 hence while he was second he was far from in trouble

Of course playing Mason is so boring that you don't keep your eyes on the tally especially here where last minute vote-swings are a tradition especially on Day1

[Jkaen]

If only there were hints I was a mason like say how I was certain of his innocence day 1, and say my response below at how a role could have got skipped if it didnt have a partner

On novice: Zak asked a good question early on that nobody has followed up on yet: why take mafia godfather as 2nd choice? How do we know that it was novice's 2nd choice? Let's imagine that it was novice's 3rd choice (the only other way that it would show up as novice's public discard). If we assume that novice's 2nd choice (which he would have gotten in this scenario) was town, then why would novice's 1st choice have gotten thrown out if it was also town, only to give him a different town role? Can anyone think why Jabbz would throw out a town role for someone, only to give someone a different town role? I guess a bigger question here (which I don't expect Jabbz to be allowed to tell us) would be: was Jabbz throwing out 1st picks based solely on alignment #s, or also on balancing role strengths? If we assume that Jabbz was mainly balancing for alignment #s, then mafia*-mafia!-town or town-mafia*-mafia! make more sense as novice's order of picks, where mafia* = whatever novice really got, and mafia! = the mafia godfather that novice threw out. Although, now that I think about it, if we are assuming that novice was unlucky enough to get 2 mafia roles when he really wanted to play town, then town*-mafia!-mafia would make sense, where town* = what novice ended up getting. In that case, novice would have had no choice but to have a mafia role show up as his 2nd option. Actually, oddly enough, novice has not posted at all yet, so perhaps he will clear it all up when he gets in.

He is claiming its his 2nd choice and he got his first, but to answer your question, it could have been

Lover - town - mafia godfather

Since there wasn't another lover to match him up with his choice would void i assume and he would have got his 2nd