WW #43 - The Asha'man

[Lewwyn]

Holy crap.

I doubt Jkaen is lying about being mason. If there was only one mason scum couldn't be sure so they wouldn't be brazen enough to claim it.

Plus being a mason means you have a team and the sense of confidence that comes from having a team, IE why they both seemed so scummy. Makes sense.

Back later. Daughter has a some sort of recital thing at pre-preschool?

[Lewwyn]

Apparently it was parents performing.

So, while I sat through the three little pigs in Chinese, I was thinking about this and I came to the conclusion I'm not sure about anything. But I don't think I'm alone in that.

novice

Like I said on night, I think it would have been natural for town-novice to be swayed to switch his vote from Psilly. I think he saw Psilly's play as tryhard/paranoid-town, but decided not to act. Maybe he simply wanted to get him lynched now, seeing Adrien as an easier target for day 2.

I think this is very possible. I looked back and novice was the only one who tried to correct Psilly's misinterpretations but really he didn't try very hard:

Psilly, I think you're completely misreading Lewwyn.

What's your read on him, novice? I know that I've sidetracked his attention to protecting himself against my attacks, although really, it's not like he has had more than 1 or 2 votes on him this entire time, so he should feel some leisure to attend to other considerations in the game and let my attacks speak for themselves if he thinks they are so self-evidently laughable rather than respond to them IN EARNEST. Anyways, what do you think Lewwyn has contributed, novice?

Misreading not only his alignment but the contents of his posts in general. My comment was meant to encourage you to take a second look at your interactions with Lewwyn, and I felt that as town you should be able to see where you're misreading him. Instead you're just trying to whip up more support for lynching him, without looking back.

So, to address your other comment, I don't think I'll be backing off from you. OK, the WW42 vibes of the "too wrong to be scum" variety are still there, but I'd rather mislynch you today than tomorrow.

@novice why didn't you point out more specifically where he was misreading me? For example, I think it would have been very easy to point out that my comment about "deliberately misunderstanding" was a joke.


@Meiz You also said during the night that Jkaen was your number 1 suspect. Were you going to vote for novice today anyway?

[Dp101]

Hmmm. Right now, the scum situation seems incredibly muddled. Jkaen's pressure on me to the point of ignoring more critical votes made me sure he was scum trying to take out the easy target, but now with mason I see no way he could be scum. Fake claiming mason seems like at most a desperation move to try and get out of a lynch, and otherwise seems like an incredibly boneheaded way to force oneself into a 1v1 with the real mason. As for the rest of the field, Rowain seems angry but not necessarily guilty, his play is a little baffling but he comes off more as frustrated villager than overly defensive scum. Zak and Prometheus are hard to get a read on, they both haven't posted that much (or at least in Zak's case they haven't been as active as in other games I have followed along with), so could be a bit of a scum tell, but I don't really believe in killing lurkers just because they are lurkers, and neither of them have done anything especially scummy. Gaz feels like town Gaz, but he always appears to be town to me. Lewwyn... Lewwyn I'm not sure about. Like Jkaen he has put a lot of pressure on me, immediately jumping on half the posts I make and "deliberately misinterpreting" me, but at the same time the coordinated scum reads on him might be the result of a close scum team taking the easy option rather than a town concensus. The others I don't really have a feel on right now. Mostly I just need to organise my thoughts and figure out which scum tells are more important.

[Lewwyn]

Please stop voting for Jkaen, and please stop voting for Rowain. Here's an alternative, albeit not very well founded: Fenn

/drunk

Drunk people are usually more honest. Any reason at all?

[Lewwyn]

novice

[novice]

novice

Like I said on night, I think it would have been natural for town-novice to be swayed to switch his vote from Psilly. I think he saw Psilly's play as tryhard/paranoid-town, but decided not to act. Maybe he simply wanted to get him lynched now, seeing Adrien as an easier target for day 2.

I think scum would prefer to mislynch Adrien and keep Psilly on the back burner. If you reread WW42 you'll see Psilly's talent for getting mislynched (or more fairly, our talent for mislynching him). That was in fact part of my motivation for NOT switching - as I said at the time I'd rather mislynch him now than later.

Also, given that, I wouldn't give any cred to Gaz (or Zak) for their late switches.

There is no way in 9 hells that the mafia would pick the guy who was likely to hang the next day. That was a vig shot.

Agreed. Everybody was declaring their intention of voting Adrien on day two.

I looked back and novice was the only one who tried to correct Psilly's misinterpretations but really he didn't try very hard

@novice why didn't you point out more specifically where he was misreading me? For example, I think it would have been very easy to point out that my comment about "deliberately misunderstanding" was a joke.

Lol what? (To emulate you)
I was the only one who tried, but I should have tried harder?
I did not want to spend time constructing multi-quote posts to deconstruct your conversation when Psilly simply rereading your posts should have sufficed.

[Meiz]

@Meiz You also said during the night that Jkaen was your number 1 suspect. Were you going to vote for novice today anyway?

I planned on pressuring both, but I believe Jkaen's mason claim.

[novice]

Fenn for now, because Zak said so.

[Lewwyn]

Lol what? (To emulate you)
I was the only one who tried, but I should have tried harder?
I did not want to spend time constructing multi-quote posts to deconstruct your conversation when Psilly simply rereading your posts should have sufficed.

Yeah, I don't blame you for wanting to go back through and illustrate each thing he didn't seem to get. But I do think it would have been really easy to say "You realize he's joking about you deliberately misunderstanding him right?"

I think the fact that you are the only one who apparently noticed though is suspect. I feel like scum would have the perspective to see how he was misreading me, but not really want to do much more than an empty gesture. (Philosophy group was reading Lacan last night )

I actually think your idea that Psilly was detrimental to town no matter his alignment, and so leaving your vote on him was a sort of triage, is more of a convincing argument for your innocence than saying it was too much work to set him straight.

What's your read on Rowain?

[Meiz]

I think scum would prefer to mislynch Adrien and keep Psilly on the back burner. If you reread WW42 you'll see Psilly's talent for getting mislynched (or more fairly, our talent for mislynching him). That was in fact part of my motivation for NOT switching - as I said at the time I'd rather mislynch him now than later.

I haven't read that game, but shouldn't that increase chances that people recognize his play as town for that style. In any case, I'm reading you recognizing his play from WW42 and therefore it would have been your personal motivation to get him lynched now, as you'd find it harder to justify later. Haven't reread the game yet, but I don't remember you looking for any alternatives at all.