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Thanks jkaen.
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(July 9th, 2016, 05:36)Gazglum Wrote: I didn't realise it at the time, but when you attacked Adrien for saying Meiz looks SKish, you yourself had previously said,
You do realise that my sentence was tongue in cheek? Look at Meiz reaction for example.
About Jkaen. As I said his second half play from D1 made him transfer from town- to scum-list. I didn't ´like his sitting on the sidelines vote. I voted alongside Jkaen on DP101 as I clearly stated to help Jkaen getting an answer from DP101. Which DP101 provided after which I switched from him.
(July 9th, 2016, 06:14)Gazglum Wrote: That is literally true, but Rowain knows game theory, and so he knows that Jkaen would NOT have claimed that role as scum.
IMO scum would have expected a Mason-brother to speak up before Adrien got lynched and not after him getting nightkilled.
So scum could easily make the gamble that Adrien was alone- risky yes but if it succeeds you have one member who never gets lynched and draws all protective/watching powers onto him = easy win.
Question to you Gazglum and to all others : How would you see Jkaen's Mason-claim if Jabbz had posted the real result of the lynch? Would you really believe a Mason stood by watching his Brother swinging from the gallows?
For now I consider the timing of the posts to be in Jkaen favour which is the main reason I won't vote for him today.
(July 9th, 2016, 06:14)Gazglum Wrote: Plus, he thinks it is likely for Adrien to have been a nightkill target? Are you kidding me?
He was clearly high on the list. leaves the village without any target and no clue. Additional it was a save kill because
no Doctor or watcher was going to sit on Adrien. That you don't see that makes me doubt your alignment.
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(July 9th, 2016, 06:14)Gazglum Wrote: Rowain then wants to use his perceived Authority to get us all to tell him our roles.
It would be telling us all not me and indeed I think that that is the best play right now. The biggest problem for scum arise if they have villagers they have to kill. Currently Jkaen would fall into that category. If there are more then scum gets pressured more and more because any mustkill runs the risk of interception or getting watched. This is plain simple hell for scum and usually leads to a loss for them.
Therefor it is my opinion that we should come clear (in the order I outlined before) to give scum a headache. I see no good reason for doing otherwise. If there are 3 scum no SK we have 1 mislynch left before we need a save to avoid losing.
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I'm not opposed to a mass claim but I think Jkaen, Gaz or Zak should dictate the order in which we claim.
I have to run.
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(July 9th, 2016, 02:23)Meiz Wrote: I do remember your strong & leading town play from way back, so I really hope you get to show it and convince me of your innocence. "Fenn because Zak" won't do it.
Fair enough. Prometheus because Gaz.
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(July 9th, 2016, 08:44)Rowain Wrote: He was clearly high on the list. leaves the village without any target and no clue. Additional it was a save kill because
no Doctor or watcher was going to sit on Adrien. That you don't see that makes me doubt your alignment.
'Leaves the village without any target' = 'Village has to find a new target'. Call me noob, but it seems to me that, after having you, me (and to a lesser case Fenn) town declare overnight they are committed to lynching a villager, it would take an...unorthodox scum team to decide to kill that villager. Meaning that we all have to reevaulate and, as likely as not, land on one of the real scum instead.
As I believe I have done. So if it was your plan to leave town 'without a target', I fear it may have backfired. 
All kidding aside, I don't know you are for -certain- scum Rowain, but your logic the last 24 hours has just been way off base. What do you think about my Prometheus case?
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(July 9th, 2016, 05:34)Rowain Wrote: I would now really like for everyone to claim their role and their reasoning for picking and their nightaction if they did one including the reasoning for it.
And I would like it to happen in this order:
First Gazglum then Prometheus, Dp101, Fenn, Meiz, novice, Lewwyn, zakalwe
Assuming he doesn't BS us I would also like Jkaen to post what he and Adrien talked about in Masonthread and how Adrien tread the game.
And yes I want all powerroles because that forces scum whom to kill or to take risks. If we mislynch as often that this really becomes a problem then we deserve to lose anyway.
I'd be fine with letting Gazglum claim last. And I'd put Lewwyn before Novice but no big deal. In any case, Prometheus, Dp101, and Fenn look least townish so far, and I'd be surprised if we don't end up lynching from that set today.
Prometheus
If you know what I mean.
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I don't see reason for any mass claim right now with the exception of whoever killed Adrien coming forward to tell us so we arent guessing. That also includes whichever scum killed him if they did it, please come forward and admit it 
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(July 9th, 2016, 08:44)Rowain Wrote: Question to you Gazglum and to all others : How would you see Jkaen's Mason-claim if Jabbz had posted the real result of the lynch? Would you really believe a Mason stood by watching his Brother swinging from the gallows?
For now I consider the timing of the posts to be in Jkaen favour which is the main reason I won't vote for him today. If Adrien had been lynched I'd be taking a skeptical view of a Mason claim from Jkaen, assuming he'd still make one. But how do you explain Adrien's post last night if he didn't have a Mason partner to claim with?
(July 9th, 2016, 08:44)Rowain Wrote: Are you kidding me?
He was clearly high on the list. leaves the village without any target and no clue. Additional it was a save kill because
no Doctor or watcher was going to sit on Adrien. That you don't see that makes me doubt your alignment.
I don't understand this. Wouldn't it be in scum's interest to leave the village a clear target for D2, knowing that he was town? It practically gives them an extra night, and I doubt they would have known that Adrien was a Mason.
Dp101 needs to get out there and give his opinions on people one way or another, his posting up to this point has amounted to a fluff and not much more.
Also leaning scum towards novice and Prometheus atm, mostly not liking their D2 play so far.
Zakalwe, with your Vig theory in mind, do you think Gazglum is town?
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(July 9th, 2016, 09:30)novice Wrote: (July 9th, 2016, 02:23)Meiz Wrote: I do remember your strong & leading town play from way back, so I really hope you get to show it and convince me of your innocence. "Fenn because Zak" won't do it.
Fair enough. Prometheus because Gaz.
Isn't voting for me because "Gaz said so" the same thing I've been accused of doing in regards to Psilly?
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