WW #43 - The Asha'man

[Gazglum]

I know you got off of my case later, but I have to ask, why does my discard of those two mean that my third choice has to be mafia? I thought I had made it clear by this point that I considered both these roles worse than vanilla (well I guess hider is equal if I just don't use it), so I fail to see why I have to be mafia if I didn't want either of those.

It doesn't. I mean that I think IF it was mafia, you would have taken it, because the other two roles you were offered were so unappealing.

[Rowain]

Sure.

I think Adrien was targetted by a town-aligned vigilante who was swayed by your and my honeyed words, or wanted to rectify Jabbz's mistake.

I think that scum aimed their kill at Zak or me, and a doctor protected the target. Therefore I think there is a doctor out there. Therefore, I think it is anti-town to call for a complete role-claim at this stage. Therefore, I think you are likely scum.

First how do you come to Zak or yourself as target.
Second How do you come to a vig as responsible person Nobody has stepped forward so far.
Third Why do you think it was a doctor and not a jailer who jailed either the killing scum or the target.
4th I don't see any reason why a full roleclaim is bad for town. It would clear the questions it would help if a watcher or tracker has seen something
5th Again we have exactly 1 mislynch before we are at Lylo. There is no time for hiding and playing stupid secret games now.
6th Again if there are targets scum have to kill they have to do the risky actions which is good for us not them.

Gazglum if you are town please pretty please rethink.

[Dp101]

I know you got off of my case later, but I have to ask, why does my discard of those two mean that my third choice has to be mafia? I thought I had made it clear by this point that I considered both these roles worse than vanilla (well I guess hider is equal if I just don't use it), so I fail to see why I have to be mafia if I didn't want either of those.

It doesn't. I mean that I think IF it was mafia, you would have taken it, because the other two roles you were offered were so unappealing.

Ah, right. Sorry for the confusion.

[Gazglum]

Gazglum if you are town please pretty please rethink.

I would rethink if I thought we were in trouble. I don't. I think Prometheus is scum.

It could be a jailer. I assumed that if it was a jailer they would have claimed. If anybody does have pertinent information abotu who the killers were then sure, they could certainly come forward. But why does everyone else have to roleclaim for that to happen?

Why do you think that scum won't just lie? They can't really be caught out in their claims. THey get more info, and what does town get? 'Harder choices for scum'? Scum already have tough choices ahead of them. Jkaen is confirmed town, no power role, vs others who are unknown, but could be power roles. I am comfortable with how much stress scum are probably under right now.

But this is just tactical disagreements Rowain. If we are on the same team, help me out, lets get cracking on finding those scumbos, eh?

[Gazglum]

First how do you come to Zak or yourself as target.
Second How do you come to a vig as responsible person Nobody has stepped forward so far.
Third Why do you think it was a doctor and not a jailer who jailed either the killing scum or the target.

Frankly, these also feel like questions to try and get me to tell you what my role is. Or to get someone else to tell you theirs. All you've done today Rowain is try to find out what people's powers are, and that is after scum appear to have been role-blocked in some way.

[Fenn]

Alright, I think that's been long enough. Dunno what the scum were up to, but I'm a Vig, and I shot AdrienIer last night.

Between how he was only spared the lynch due to mod error, his unconvincing (to me) post in the night, and several people declaring their intent to vote for him tomorrow, it seemed to me that he was the de-facto lynch target going into Day 2 . For that reason I decided to shoot him, so that we could try lynching somebody else, and hopefully Adrien would flip scum too. Obviously I had no inkling that he was in a Masonry with somebody else or I would have held off on doing anything.

Still, it's not a total loss. Jkaen is confirmed town in my eyes, and if you believe that scum would never have NK'ed Adrien last night then that points to me being town as well. I delayed claiming Vigilante so we could get everyone's speculation on who killed Adrien and why.

[Fenn]

One thing I'd be interested in finding out is if the scum also targeted Adrien, or if they were prevented from killing some other person.

[novice]

Alright, I think that's been long enough. Dunno what the scum were up to, but I'm a Vig, and I shot AdrienIer last night.

Between how he was only spared the lynch due to mod error, his unconvincing (to me) post in the night, and several people declaring their intent to vote for him tomorrow, it seemed to me that he was the de-facto lynch target going into Day 2 . For that reason I decided to shoot him, so that we could try lynching somebody else, and hopefully Adrien would flip scum too. Obviously I had no inkling that he was in a Masonry with somebody else or I would have held off on doing anything.

Still, it's not a total loss. Jkaen is confirmed town in my eyes, and if you believe that scum would never have NK'ed Adrien last night then that points to me being town as well. I delayed claiming Vigilante so we could get everyone's speculation on who killed Adrien and why.

Really. Why did you kill him if you thought he had a trump card up his sleeve?

Huh, interesting N1. Let's take a look at Adrien's last post:

[gazglum quote]


To be honest in a purely meta perspective it would have been a thousand times better if I had died last night. I'm happy that I'm alive only because I enjoy playing. And of course, because Psilly probably enjoys playing too it's sad that he had to die in an unfair way like that.
You think I should have said something earlier today ? Well for some reason I went to bed late last night, and I had some stuff to do today so while I followed the posts I didn't take the time to intervene (also I didn't feel the need : unless a vig shoots me I'll be alive tomorrow to explain what needs to be explained). My "second chance to prove my towniness" can come very easily tomorrow.

The "exciting brush with death" was only the second most exciting thing that happened last night, sorry for not reacting like I normally would have.

Gazglum you must have a power role or you wouldn't have discarded doctor (regardless of what you stated about doctor being a late game role). If you're another roleblocker you can roleblock me (actually please do). If you're a vig please don't shoot me (or anyone actually, shooting right now is premature). You can always shoot me on n2 if you still think I stand out.

From this it's pretty clear that he had some trump card in mind, and since he was a Mason he probably did have a partner. I don't agree with Jkaen that a singular Mason or Lover wouldn't happen, but why would Adrien make a post like this if he didn't have somebody to corroborate his innocence? The roleblocker comment I don't get (couldn't scum have somebody else make the kill if Adrien was one of them?), but we know now he was innocent so who cares.

So while I still think Jkaen's behaviour over Day 1 is odd, and not switching off of Dp101 was a mistake, absent anybody counterclaiming I think he has to be the other Mason.

[Meiz]

I guess it's good protocol to get Fenn answer this, but I'm really not surprised scum needing to make doubt on this claim. Btw. Gazglum for your paper: My first instinct is to believe that claim, don't think it's a scum ploy.

[Jkaen]

I believe Fenn killed him and isnt scum, regarding if he is vig or an SK i think that can wait on the number of kills tomorrow. Nothing today so far has shifted my vote