WW 44: Battlestar Galactica

[AdrienIer]

Lynch one of the other 3 -> kill one of those you pointed out -> change your mind if need be to get the last needed lynch.
So not impossible.

I'm currently leaning towards Dp trying to throw cheap town points at his buddy (Winston ? Gazglum ?) without making it obvious.

[Gazglum]

But don't worry I'm not set  you. Maybe Gazglum can participate ? He's still on my watchlist

Sure. AdrienIer.

I read the thread fastish, and my initial impression was a town lean on Winston and DP, neutral on Jabbz, Lewwyn and Novice, and mildly scummy on Adrien. Going through more methodically:

I think novice is trying to make sure he has someone voting against him later so he can point to it for a fake clear. Scummy as heck IMO.

Still don't understand this, Jabbz. You seem to be trying to use logic here, but then you said you were 'just poking him'. Was this a serious point being made about Novice? If not, then I give it a mild scum lean, because it feels like throwing out something weird, seeing if anybody backs you up, then if they don't you can fall back on 'the lulz' as your reason.

I am fine with Winston's follw-up posting from last night. Hope you're feeling better Winston.

AdrienIer for now. I could also lynch Jabbz, Gazglum and Lewwyn. Town lean on Dp. And I guess on Winston for the mindmeld, although the topics of conversation weren't that alignment indicative.

I don't like this at all. It is very Novice-like, but it also feels scummy. Sure, its good to put out reads. But no reasons on Adrien is a bit weak, but more importantly, why would you lynch Lewwyn, Novice? That is the red flag on this post to me. Lewwyn posted his greeting, nobody else was talking much, Lewwyn had to go to bed. I don't see that there is anything much more he could have done, he was probably only just waking up when Novice made this post, and there is no good reason to have him on a scum list. Unless you wanted to just fill out a list of names to make it look like you were hunting, but not actually thinking it through.

Also, 'I oculd lynch' is very strong language at this early stage of the game.

So after this post, I have Novice in the scum-lean.

ANd yes Novice, I always expect good humour from flu sufferers. I live in Britain now, stiff upper lip and all that.


Moving on, I agree that DP's logic about wolf QTs and all is not very good, but I think he is giving lots of reads and thoughts, and seems relaxed. So I have a town lean there.

But back to the main point - I don't like Adrien's game at all yet. It's a litany of little tells all pointing the same direction.

He is making content by answering questions for others:

Dp is US west coast, so definitely asleep right now

or questioning them:

Same question

He is prepping possible End of Day vote swings without giving any reason for it:

Going to sleep. Considering moving to Gazglum, but I think I'll sleep on it and reconsider tomorrow.

But don't worry I'm not set  you. Maybe Gazglum can participate ? He's still on my watchlist

The second post is particularly bad, because it was said to DP, and immeidately pulls away all the pressure that Adrien's vote had created. Does Adrien think DP is scum? If he does, he wants to vote him. If he is not sure, he wants to apply pressure to see if DP cracks, but Adrien is immediately undercutting that pressure by suggesting this is just a placeholder vote before he moves to a better target. So what this feels like is Adrien voting for someone he knows is innocent, and trying not to get them too offside.

Finally, I don't like his response to me here at all:

Gazglum there may be little chatter but it's also because there aren't many of us here. This isn't a 11 player game where D1 starts getting crazy super fast.

I see that you suggest lynching Winston early, which worked perfectly for scum in the last game he played. And you want us to chime in on your attack on him ? Well I'll chime in : I don't like it. He plays on other forums and has a different style. Nothing scummy about that. If suddenly Lewwyn (for example) was to act all non RB-like I'd be more surprised and suspicious.

I did NOT suggest lynching Winston early. I just voted him on a weak tell, because there was nothing else out there. This is twisting my vote to make me sound unreasonable. It is also pulling away pressure frmo Winston, as with DP.

I have only played with Winston once, I think, but I remember his first posts being energtic and chatty. So that was the baseline I was going on. Why are you so sure that there is nothing scummy about Winston? It's lucky that you are, because the only reason you seem to suspect me is that I was going after someone you don't think is scummy, but then you have given no reason why you think Winston deserves the benefit of the doubt.

So there we are. Good morning everyone! Sorry for giving everyone a lecture about participation then taking last night off, by the way.

[AdrienIer]

10AM headlines.

- Winston' s health : is it getting better ?

- Dp attacked, Gazglum immediately comes to his rescue. Could they be in it together ?

More news from our reporters at 11

[novice]

So after this post, I have Novice in the scum-lean.

That's a shame. But at least we seem to have a shared suspect in Adrien. I like that you also didn't like Adrien's response to your call for opinions.

AdrienIer for now. I could also lynch Jabbz, Gazglum and Lewwyn. Town lean on Dp. And I guess on Winston for the mindmeld, although the topics of conversation weren't that alignment indicative.

I don't like this at all. It is very Novice-like, but it also feels scummy. Sure, its good to put out reads. But no reasons on Adrien is a bit weak, but more importantly, why would you lynch Lewwyn, Novice? That is the red flag on this post to me. Lewwyn posted his greeting, nobody else was talking much, Lewwyn had to go to bed. I don't see that there is anything much more he could have done, he was probably only just waking up when Novice made this post, and there is no good reason to have him on a scum list. Unless you wanted to just fill out a list of names to make it look like you were hunting, but not actually thinking it through.

Why would I not lynch Lewwyn? Town leans on Dp and Winston leaves AdrienIer, Jabbz, you and Lewwyn by elimination. And regarding reasons for Adrien, I did follow up the above post with a note saying it was a PoE vote.

Also, 'I oculd lynch' is very strong language at this early stage of the game.

Maybe there's some nuance I'm missing. Strong language at this stage of the game would be "I would not lynch x".

[novice]

Still don't understand this, Jabbz. You seem to be trying to use logic here, but then you said you were 'just poking him'. Was this a serious point being made about Novice? If not, then I give it a mild scum lean, because it feels like throwing out something weird, seeing if anybody backs you up, then if they don't you can fall back on 'the lulz' as your reason.

I agree with this as well. People don't 'poke' by making cases they don't believe in, that would be a gambit. If you want to poke someone and don't have a legitimate reason for a vote, just say you saw them eat a meatball or something.

[Qgqqqqq]

Vote Count 2:

AdrienIer (3) - Gazglum, Dp101, novice
Lewwyn (1) - Winston Hughes
novice (1) - Jabbz,
Jabbz (1) - Lewwyn
Dp101 (1) - AdrienEir


Not voting:


22 hrs remaining.

[AdrienIer]

I wanted to keep the news headlines format (with a reporter added in) for the lulz (and because it saves time when I should be doing other things) but I think a serious post is needed here.

First off Gazglum you seem to suggest that my posts are either pointless or driving towards you. I'm sure you'll add my post #71 to that second category. By cherrypicking your quotes you made it look as if there was nothing else to my early game. Mischaracterizing people is a null tell but it's not very helpful.

I always come back to you because no one else has called you on your post #15 and I think it gave you undeserved towncred. By daring people to come up with bad things to say about you when there where almost none you have avoided further scrutiny.

I think it's pretty clear that I would have been happier waking up finding a flurry of scummy posts from you. To spend my time on something I attacked the second scummiest person, Dp, but was waiting for your return.

I won't be able to reread the thread efficiently for a few hours and my vote will probably stay as it is until then (it's not like I'm against lynching Dp)

[Gazglum]

First off Gazglum you seem to suggest that my posts are either pointless or driving towards you. I'm sure you'll add my post #71 to that second category. By cherrypicking your quotes you made it look as if there was nothing else to my early game. Mischaracterizing people is a null tell but it's not very helpful.

How have I cherry-picked? I'm pointing to specific aspects of your play I dislike. For example, that you kept me as a backburner suspect without committing or giving any evidence. I'm looking for scum-hunting, and I'm not seeing it from you. You say that my post against you is 'not helpful', but can you point to a post of yours that is helpful to town?

I always come back to you because no one else has called you on your post #15 and I think it gave you undeserved towncred. By daring people to come up with bad things to say about you when there where almost none you have avoided further scrutiny.

This doesn't make sense. I was also surprised not to have other votes on me this morning, and perhaps I have undeserved towncred. But how does that make -me- scummy? If anything, that is a failing from the rest of the team. It seems to me that you aren't able to say "Gazglum's post #15 is scummy", because you know that is a weak case, so you just say that it gave me too much towncred, which is not the same thing as believing me scum.

If you just thought I was skating by, why not question me or vote me?

I think it's pretty clear that I would have been happier waking up finding a flurry of scummy posts from you. To spend my time on something I attacked the second scummiest person, Dp, but was waiting for your return.

So now you admit that you think I was the scummiest player in the game. Why did you think that at the time? Who do you think is the scummiest now?


Also, Adrien, you attacked DP for narrowing his field of suspects too fast, but followed it by suggesting a DP/Gazglum pair, which is a big call for halfway through Day 1.

[Jabbz]

Still don't understand this, Jabbz. You seem to be trying to use logic here, but then you said you were 'just poking him'. Was this a serious point being made about Novice? If not, then I give it a mild scum lean, because it feels like throwing out something weird, seeing if anybody backs you up, then if they don't you can fall back on 'the lulz' as your reason.

I agree with this as well. People don't 'poke' by making cases they don't believe in, that would be a gambit. If you want to poke someone and don't have a legitimate reason for a vote, just say you saw them eat a meatball or something.

I had to have something to put in there, making a ridiculous excuse for why you were scummy showed, I thought, that I wasn't serious about it. My first day, especially not early first day, posts are never overly serious. I feel it takes a good ways through the day before trends can be seen, if any exist at all. Day 1 lynches are always a crapshoot, sometimes you get lucky, but that is usually it.

I am inclined to feel that the way my jokes are being taken so seriously is a sign of scummyness, but that is mostly mitigated by the fact that A: I know I'm not overly funny, though I try, and B: at least two people are after me for it (thought admittedly both people that I voted against) and I find it unlikely scum would pair up that fast in such a small game.

Also, I found the "view source" button, and life is now better.

I mean, that was on page 4, so it's been out there quite a while. I've repeatedly stated I wanted to lighten up the first part of the day, this was part of it, along with the joke about mistaking Winston for Zack (In the TW game I screwed up and attributed something Dp101 said to Zack, which caused no end of drama.)

It's 3am, and I have to drive kids to school through this monsoon in the morning, so be back in 6ish hours.

[AdrienIer]

Helpful to town : responding to your post #15 and pressuring Dp for example. Not amazing but not particularly terrible, especially by my standards. Compare that to my last game as scum...

I don't like dare posts, and I'm even more uneasy when they work. I wanted to see more from when I woke up, hence not voting for you.

I'll try to determine who between you and Dp is scummiest when I'll reread. About narrowing my list of suspects there is an IMMENSE difference between saying "4/7 people are town" when we haven't even played for a full day and saying "those two are scummy and they could even work as a team" when there are twice as many posts out there.