The First Civ6 Lurker Thread

[kjn]

teh seems far too optimistic about being able to take back and hold Frankfurt.

Now, I still think Yuris ought to raze the city (though he did bleed teh and managed to grab a "free" builder by keeping the city the first time), but I really doubt teh can manage to hold the city unless he brings several more units, and preferably something better than warriors too. Unit quality seems to matter even more in Civ 6 than in Civ 4, since the armies are smaller and it's harder to bring several units to bear at the same time.

[oledavy]

teh goofed pretty big by retaking the city immedietly, instead of using his superior ranged force to clear out Yuris's units, then retake the city. It wasn't like Frankfurt had walls and was bombarding him constantly. All this has earned him now is a substantial delay in being able to retake Frankfurt since now he needs to move up a new melee unit. 

For the record, I still don't think this makes Yuris decision a good one. This better outcome of being able to bleed teh's forces, gain a builder, and subject Frankfurt to multiple captures was only made possible by teh's blundering, something you can never count on. I really think he should have razed it the second time and founded a new city in the north in territory he controls, but eh. It all seems a little immaterial at this point considering the breathtaking speed with which Sullla is dismembering Archduke.

I understand the appeal of attempting a limited offensive like the one Archduke attempted against Medialonum, it feels good to hit back. Nonetheless, that was a clear mistake. He may have been able to withstand an attack for a little while if he had dug in north of the city, but now.....sheesh. Sullla's going to eliminate him in short order, get out from under the occupied cities malus and war weariness, and be set to win.

[Molach]

Apart from the inter-enemy fight, it must be said that Sullla is playing a great game too.

Still think ppl are needless giving help in his thread. Answering specific question is np, volunteering info to the runaway is not really needed

[Singaboy]

It has to be said that there is one person who pretty much knows what he is doing (and is obviously very prepared). The others seem to have some sort of knowledge of the game but can't really string it together yet.

teh looked most promising with the economic development of his cities and land. But, as he professed, he has little experience with warfare and it clearly shows. His defense of Frankfurt is not really appropriate given the exposed nature of it. he isn't aware of city strength and the weakness of an archer only army.

This game will be over in 10-20 turns when Sulla has eliminated Archduke and then walks over teh and Yuris. It's a shame there is nobody that could counter his superior play.


PS In fact I sort of hope this game concludes soon so that another game, that would be potentially more exciting, could commence.

PPS: I agree with Molach on the needless help Sulla is getting and I personally would only enter such a competition if those spoilers by groupies are banned. The rest of us have pretty much refrained from giving help to the others and Sulla gets all the help he doesn't even need.

[Molach]

Soon over, agreed.

By the way, if anyone giving help is ded-lurking Sullla that is ok. I didnt check.

[Commodore]

PS In fact I sort of hope this game concludes soon so that another game, that would be potentially more exciting, could commence.

Dude, it's an open forum. Cast down ye buckets where ye lie; get thee to the next subforum over a start another PBEM, there's no rule stating only one CiVI PBEM can happen at a time.

[shinghand]

teh goofed pretty big by retaking the city immedietly, instead of using his superior ranged force to clear out Yuris's units, then retake the city. It wasn't like Frankfurt had walls and was bombarding him constantly. All this has earned him now is a substantial delay in being able to retake Frankfurt since now he needs to move up a new melee unit. 

For the record, I still don't think this makes Yuris decision a good one. This better outcome of being able to bleed teh's forces, gain a builder, and subject Frankfurt to multiple captures was only made possible by teh's blundering, something you can never count on. I really think he should have razed it the second time and founded a new city in the north in territory he controls, but eh. It all seems a little immaterial at this point considering the breathtaking speed with which Sullla is dismembering Archduke.

I understand the appeal of attempting a limited offensive like the one Archduke attempted against Medialonum, it feels good to hit back. Nonetheless, that was a clear mistake. He may have been able to withstand an attack for a little while if he had dug in north of the city, but now.....sheesh. Sullla's going to eliminate him in short order, get out from under the occupied cities malus and war weariness, and be set to win.

In some sense, I think Archduke is not interested in turtling up since it will eventually be futile anyway - death is assured for him, it's just a question of whether it is 5 turns or 15 turns. I would think he is trying to make a last stand with his units and inflicting as much pain as possible before dying in a glorious blaze. I don't think this is a mistake, per se. It's a question of "if you know you can't win no matter what, how do you approach the game?" I expect it's not fun for him to play on for 30 turns to reach a forgone conclusion and I don't begrudge him for doing what he has done - he has already put up a rather fierce defense against Sullla instead of rolling over and waiting for death.

It's a subjective topic so I expect opinion on this will be varied. At the same time, I think many of the opinions here (myself included) are colored by our own expectation of the game to pan out - we like teh because he's standing up to Sullla, and we are critical of Archduke and yuris mistakes because we want to see a clash between the runaway vs the world. Inasmuch as I believe yuris moves are shortsighted (is getting a single builder really worth all that??) I know that I lack the perspective on the game that he has.

[greenline]

fun fact: a game with Sullla playing in it will never not have debates over lurker conduct

[Alhambram]

It's a subjective topic so I expect opinion on this will be varied. At the same time, I think many of the opinions here (myself included) are colored by our own expectation of the game to pan out - we like teh because he's standing up to Sullla, and we are critical of Archduke and yuris mistakes because we want to see a clash between the runaway vs the world. Inasmuch as I believe yuris moves are shortsighted (is getting a single builder really worth all that??) I know that I lack the perspective on the game that he has.

I also think that by regularly updating his thread with a lot of information and insights about his plays, teh won a lot sympathy from lurkers.
Archduke and Yuris updates their threads less regularly and shares fewer insights about their plays. That is their own decision and their own threads: i don't complain about it and I respects their own style.
It just happens to be bleak compared with Sulla's thread which is always informative as usual and teh's thread.
In Yuris's thread, there was a fairly large gap between last post and the post where he attacked teh, the unintended result is that lurker community felt ambushed by Yuris.

[kjn]

As for comments with game information in Sullla's thread, yeah, it's helping him. But Sullla already does more than just about anyone here in educating people about Civ 4 and now Civ 6.

So yeah, it helps Sullla right now. But in the long run, it benefits our entire community.

As long as actual information relating to the current game isn't spread in Sullla's thread (apart from what Sullla can glean for himself), I'm not too concerned. Sullla has invested into an active dedlurker community with his regular and excellent updates, and if that brings him some minor benefits, then more power to him.