I've always interpreted it as having a negative connotation as well, labeling every East Asian leader as an isolationist.
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I wouldn't mind unrestricted leaders at some future contest.
In Soviet Russia, Civilization Micros You!
"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." “I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.” (September 20th, 2017, 06:22)yuris125 Wrote: Personally, I find this remark unnecessary at best, an attempt to look for racism where there's none for no reason at worst. It's made look even worse by somehow listing Sitting Bull as an Asian leader. But to each their own I remember there actually being a debate here about whether Protective was overpowered. That debate died immediately after people actually got their hands on the Warlords expansion, but it'd still actually make more sense to me to argue that Firaxis was being Asian supremacist.
September 20th, 2017, 21:17
(This post was last modified: September 20th, 2017, 21:23 by antisocialmunky.)
 Quote:Tokugawa (Japan) Technically there's more non-East Asian (technically Saladin + Gilgamesh are Asian but I don't think you mean those). Of the 4 East Asian leaders, you can make a good argument why 3 of them should be labelled 'Protective.' Quote:Tokugawa (Japan) - 200 Years of Isolation Then you have Wang Kon who doesn't deserve it but probably was given it anachronistically to him based on the last Imperial Dynasty of Korean. Quote:Wang Kon (Korea) - More the civ than the leader. Korea was pretty isolationist because they got invaded by their neighbors repeatedly. The term 'Hermit Kingdom' predates North Korea and used to apply to Joseon Korea. Its less racism and more of a selection bias towards East Asian leaders during the period of European colonization being on the defensive against European colonialization and both the most well known Chinese leaders being best known for being defensive (and killing millions but w/e). Just select Oda Nobunaga, Emperor Meiji, Liu Bang, or Cao Cao and you'd end up with a more interesting variety of East Asian personalities.
In Soviet Russia, Civilization Micros You!
"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." “I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
I think ASM is basically correct. In any case, the issue isn't that so many of the PRO leaders are East Asian; the issue is that nearly all the East Asian leaders are Protective. If they were all e.g. FIN instead, that would be weird in its own way. ASM's suggestion for the reason this happened is also supported by the two East Asian rulers who aren't Protective: Kublai and Genghis Khan are the pair who (due to Marco Polo and basically world conquest, respectively) are well-known in the West from the period prior to European colonialism.
September 22nd, 2017, 14:20
(This post was last modified: September 22nd, 2017, 14:54 by antisocialmunky.)
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In Soviet Russia, Civilization Micros You!
"Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." “I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.” |
