The Backstabbers' Table - PBEM 4 Diplomacy Thread

[oledavy]

Since the cat will be out of the bag soon enough:
@TheArcduke, we are now besties!  . Don't worry, I am not playing in my sandbox. I just wanted walls everywhere before my war machine kicks in.  

@Singaboy: Good job taking out the Vikings so quickly! I can't, in good consciousness, help you gain more territory and power and pave your way to victory. Therefore, I reject your offer of an alliance. I will hold to our NAP until T130 and will stay neutral if England attacks you during that period. Besides, I don't think you need much help, since you have a science rate equal to Japan now. 

@oledavy: How about a NAP until T140 or T150? And a DP? FYI, I do have a NAP with Singaboy until T130, so there is that but if Spain decides to jump in, I might be able to help.

Woden, just wanted to let you know I have read your post and am considering the deal you have offered. I think I am going to let Archduke reply first though.

[oledavy]

So, essentially I am playing a AW (Always War) game now against three of human players. Let's see how long I can last.

I rate your chances of victory from this point forward at about 80%, if I'm being honest with myself, so I wouldn't worry too much if I were you. Just keep up the good work, and we'll all concede in about a month.

Did you honestly expect to eat another player and then everyone not try to stop you? Even in no diplo this outcome would have been very likely.

[Singaboy]

Goodness me.

I have had it for too long with this whiny stuff about Singaboy being so strong, we all will lose unless we unite against him. What on earth are you talking about?

You, oledavy, have more techs than me, your culture and science matches mine, you have DOTF and a trait that is superior to mine on such maps. You have the advantage of two players in tow with you. You openly discuss sharing of resources as seems fit. You coordinate wonders, the only thing missing is coordinating Great People.

Now, why on earth am I so invincible? Just be honest. You are hoping that Archduke and Woden waste their resources attacking me while you can pretty easily lean back from a rather safe corner of the world and then take them apart when the time is right.

I know we are all trying to play the diplomatic game to the fullest but it has long worn off for me.

[oledavy]

I personally had not imagined the diplomatic thread setup to be this way and I am appealing to all of you now not exploit this further (you might as well write each other PMs with all details). Of course, you might all say, it's sour grapes Singaboy speaking. However, in the name of fairness, I guess it's all fine to agree on alliances etc in the open, but to share details such as who attacks which city, who builds which wonder, who goes after which Great Person goes too far. You might as well shift gold and resources around as fits (has been done already with oledavy and Archduke). You could even shift gold around to buy a Great Person that I might nab and then return the favor etc.  
Those are your choices, but RB has always claimed for itself to be a civ community avoiding all the cheese (you could swap cities around for better tactical efforts). For example, I could gift all my cities to someone to be the king maker (bar my capital of course). There are limits and the issues outlined above cross those limits im my humble opinion.

I mean, I campaigned pretty hard against it in setup. You were one of the people who advocated for it iirc. You can't expect to provide people a resource, and then them not use it to the fullest extent that they can. What was the alternative once we decided on a diplo thread? You can only write these five preset messages? For the record, I think this thread has been underutilized if anything. 

At any rate, player to player, I do realize it is emotionally draining to see people plotting against you in the open. I would be mad in your situation too, had I been the runaway this game. I understand why you're upset, it just unfortunately comes with the territory when you're winning. If we'd had this in PBEM2, we would have openly plotted Woden's demise for a good number of turns there too. 

At any rate, I know this won't help, but hang in there. You've played an excellent game after the shitty hand you were dealt in PBEM2, and even if I'm going to make you work hard for you win here, I'm glad to see you got a better shake this game and get to show off what a good civ player you are 

[Woden]

@oledavy,
I think you are misunderstanding my post towards TheArchduke. He offer friendship in-game and I accepted (which is why I had to post today instead of sleeping on it). Take your time, we have a few days before WWI starts.

[Singaboy]

@Jester

You are free to send me a DOF ingame, otherwise I will do that. We can extend it to an alliance once that's an option which gives a free Inspiration too.

Of course, it's up to your discretion to decide if you want to follow oledavy's pleas to submit to his plans too.

[TheArchduke]

@Singaboy

You just ate a whole player up, what did you expect.

Do you think you would get a coalition with 2 cities taken and ceded?

And AIdiplo? Give me a break, do you want a victory because of everyone blind flying and thus not being able to stop you.

I wouldn´t.

[oledavy]

 but to share details such as who attacks which city, who builds which wonder, who goes after which Great Person goes too far. You might as well shift gold and resources around as fits (has been done already with oledavy and Archduke). You could even shift gold around to buy a Great Person that I might nab and then return the favor etc.  

Nobody has said anything to the effect of: "I'm attacking this city, you attack this one."

Nobody has said anything to the effect of: "You build this wonder, I won't compete and I'll build this wonder."

Nobody has said anything to the effect of: "I'm going after this great person, I'll offer you this to not compete for it."

Nobody has even used this thread to coordinate unit movements (unless I'm misremembering). 

It might be worth discussing if people think these are permissable this game to preclude any further dispites. For the record, I believe these would all be in the purview of a public diplomacy thread. At present at least, you're railing against things people haven't been doing. Comparing sharing information to in game cheese like gifting all your cities to someone is not an accurate comparison imho.

[Woden]

@CFCJesterFool,
I appreciate your offer of friendship but I can not accept it at this time given the current world climate. I will not act in an aggressive manner towards you unless forced too, that is all I can offer at this time.

Edit: I did post this in the organizing thread by mistake and moved it here.

[oledavy]

Edit: I did post this in the organizing thread by mistake and moved it here.

I thought I was going crazy for a moment. 

Having had time to mull over it, I accept your offer of an NAP until t150 inclusive.