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The Backstabbers' Table - PBEM 4 Diplomacy Thread

@oledavy,
Why would I trust you to send your offer after we sign friendship when your past performance shows the opposite? Why would I sign friendship with the game leader right when I hit my sweet spot and can actually be relevant? Why would I let you spam Frigates for 30 turns and face a monster force of Battleships?

I may have not finished Nationalism yet but consider that might be on purpose. Remove you vision so you don't know what is going on or maybe get a few more Frigates out for cheap upgrades. Who knows, but switching policies gets cheaper the closer you are to finishing a civic and it was damn cheap to switch cards. I suggest you move your ships back to defend and better start building walls (well probably not since my MGs get no reduction for walls). Remember, when I attack your Frigates have a 35 strength difference, your Ironclads have a 20  strength difference, and subs have a 15 strength difference, and that is without fleets. Your Frigates will be 1 shot and Ironclads and Subs should be 2 shots. Granted, your subs have a 5 strength difference on the positive side when you attack but you will need to be able to attack. Plus, my cities will be stronger and shooting at the same strength once I get 1 MG. 

You may be able to raze Mangueira if you go all out and attack quickly but Salgueiro should not fall. 8 or 10 or 12 MGs should be plenty to wipe out 11 Frigates, 4 subs, and 7 Ironclads, plus whatever you produce in the coming turns. Thanks to Press Gangs, I will be able to produce my MGs at the same rate you can produce subs. If you are thinking of spamming Frigates, thanks for the experience.  Your best option here is to retreat and defend, then hope you can get to Steel quickly. 

There will be no peace between us, your land is just to juicy to give up for a few crappy cities and a few turns of gold. 

@Sinagboy, 
If you and TheArchduke come to terms, I will follow and who knows where this game will be in 30 to 50 turns. We may have to join to fight England or you 2 will have to join to fight me. Power shifts quickly here. 

@TheArchduke,
You should be safe from attacks, looks like he is throwing everything he has towards me.
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Have it your way then. 

@Archduke, I need peace between us at any price, and we might as well expedite your win here. How about this, we make peace, and I give you Europa (including the Venetian Arsenal) plus the two cities I took in Norway?
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@Archduke,

so you did not raze Salz am Meer as you are proposing a peace deal giving me back my cities and maybe the ex Norwegian city across the channel?

If you agree with oledavy on his peace deal, I am open for such a deal too under the previously stated conditions.
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(November 7th, 2017, 14:09)oledavy Wrote: Have it your way then. 

@Archduke, I need peace between us at any price, and we might as well expedite your win here. How about this, we make peace, and I give you Europa (including the Venetian Arsenal) plus the two cities I took in Norway?

We can do that, offer that during your turn.
I doubt it will "expedite" my win.

EDIT: Did not get anything, feel free to offer again.

@ Woden

I will try to send help as as possible, I am on the other side of Germany which wants an unrealistic peace deal.
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(November 8th, 2017, 09:21)TheArchduke Wrote:
(November 7th, 2017, 14:09)oledavy Wrote: Have it your way then. 

@Archduke, I need peace between us at any price, and we might as well expedite your win here. How about this, we make peace, and I give you Europa (including the Venetian Arsenal) plus the two cities I took in Norway?

EDIT: Did not get anything, feel free to offer again.

I will try to send help as as possible, I am on the other side of Germany which wants an unrealistic peace deal.

Played turn before I saw your post. Expect something next turn (t161)
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@Archduke,

your flip flopping is irritating to say the least. You were the one to offer just that including an alliance against oledavy. Now you peace him out and of course, aren't interested in peace any longer. Suit yourself.

This game has become an absolute travesty and I am glad to be no longer part of the incredibly flippy floppy banter
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@Woden,

you must be really pleased how Archduke just sold you out by giving oledavy the opportunity to focus on you. Enjoy your second place
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(November 8th, 2017, 10:12)Singaboy Wrote: @Archduke,

your flip flopping is irritating to say the least. You were the one to offer just that including an alliance against oledavy. Now you peace him out and of course, aren't interested in peace any longer. Suit yourself.

This game has become an absolute travesty and I am glad to be no longer part of the incredibly flippy floppy banter

I am still interested in peace on your end as well.

If Oledavy offers to give up the VA I would be mad not to agree. There is no chance he will do it, but I expect the unexpected. I remain doubtful.
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I do think that the diplomacy thread had some weird side effects, probably taken due to the occupation and WW system, something Sullla provided a solution back in the day with PBEM #1. Whilst I understand everyone´s frustration and share it btw, we gain everything by trying it out and adapting a rules system for future PBEMs.
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@ Woden

By the way, do you think a peace for Europa is a good idea? I just checked, I can't raze it.

Which means it will be english for 10 turns only, probably not worth it as he can do a lot of damage in 10 turns.

PS.: I fear the VA is a clear cut case of a ban in future games, it seems as broken as Scythia.
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