New Civ4 Pitboss (38?)

[Fintourist]

If we end up with the "2 leaders/1 civ re-roll" selection process... It's all probably obvious, but here is still an attempt to clarify/document the process.

- Selection process totals 3 rounds
- At the start of 1st round each player randomly receives 2 leaders and 1 civ for his/her consideration
- During first 2 rounds player has 4 options:
     A. Re-roll everything
     B. Re-roll leaders
     C. Re-roll civ
     D. Lock [Leader] of [Civ]
- In round 3, Option D is the only one available 
- Discarded leaders & civs are returned to random pool after each round. However, same leader or civ will not be returned to player in later rounds.

[The Black Sword]

To clarify some points:

-I assume we want everyone to have unique leaders and civs(and 52 leaders for 25 players lines up nicely).
-Do we get to see what was thrown back by others in round 1 before making a decision in round 2? (I'd say yes).
-Can we just throw 1 leader back and keep the other as a backup? (Sounds like no, I don't have an opinion).

[Fintourist]

To clarify some points:

-I assume we want everyone to have unique leaders and civs(and 52 leaders for 25 players lines up nicely).

Yup. This method does not work for 27+ players

-Do we get to see what was thrown back by others in round 1 before making a decision in round 2? (I'd say yes).

I'm pretty indifferent here. Whatever people think is more interesting/exciting. Maybe yes? More info leads to more speculation?

-Can we just throw 1 leader back and keep the other as a backup? (Sounds like no, I don't have an opinion).

I thought about this a bit and I think the process will be better without this. Basically, this option would lead to a situation where nobody locks his/her pair before the final round and at the very least re-rolls one of the leaders. This would lead to a smaller pool of available leaders and more complicated process for whoever will organize this. And I also think that the decision whether you are satisfied with your leader is more interesting when you can’t go with the no-risk option.

[naufragar]

-Can we just throw 1 leader back and keep the other as a backup? (Sounds like no, I don't have an opinion).

I thought about this a bit and I think the process will be better without this. Basically, this option would lead to a situation where nobody locks his/her pair before the final round and at the very least re-rolls one of the leaders. This would lead to a smaller pool of available leaders and more complicated process for whoever will organize this. And I also think that the decision whether you are satisfied with your leader is more interesting when you can’t go with the no-risk option.

Strongly agree here. The pool of available leaders would not only be small; it would be weaker as well, since in the first round people would either lock in the best or hedge and hold on to the stronger and only send back the weaker. (Even with the good/bad spectrum being shorter in rtr.)

[OT4E]

I thought you were talking about getting 1 leader but having 2 attempts to reroll it. But I dont care about it.

What is more important that throwing leaders in open is unfair. The one who do it first makes less informated choice. This will lead to the fact that the first rerolled leaders will be the worst and once it comes to be your turn you will have to choose to keep your medium leader or reroll from 10 crap leaders.

If something is supposed to be random it must be true random and fair to everyone despite of the order.

[Dreylin]

I assumed we would indicate in our threads whether or not we had selected or thrown back, that way there'd be no time-based benefits.

[Fintourist]

Good that you raise the issue, because I think there is a misunderstanding.

At least in PB18, which used a similar method, Commodore first randomed the leaders & civs to all players and then waited until all the players had expressed their decision. All the dumped leaders and civs were thrown back into the pool and then new leaders & civs were randomly assigned to players simultaneously. I assume that we would organize this here in a same way meaning there won't be any picking/rerolling/reacting order between players

Edit re Dreylin: yep, thread or PMs should work

[OT4E]

Then you DONT know each others choice before the 1st round is finished. Thats ok.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

What's the easiest method of hosting/posting pictures in thread for reports now? I haven't done any reporting since Dropbox ruined the internets broke every RB reporting thread prior to last December.

[Mr. Cairo]

I just upload to imgur and use the screenshots tag. Works fine for me.