February 6th, 2018, 07:55
(This post was last modified: February 6th, 2018, 07:57 by teelaurila.)
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Focus magic nagas are strong, but for the same price you can have twice the number of ghouls, which are stronger.
Perhaps there is one point left unopened:
Cavalry running about seems to be the biggest issue with "defending by running". So what if cavalry had 4 movement instead of 5? The difference should make a big deal in terms of avoiding a group of move 2 to 3 enemies. Maybe I'm not skilled enough at predicting AI moves, but I am finding the AI can corner faster units (to well, corners), even if by accident and time. At least if the speed differential is 1, but much less if it's 2. So reducing cavalry speed to match other horsemen units (paladins, elf lords) could do it. And it shouldn't that much change how fast cavalry can reach enemies in the battlefield.
But even then, it's not often I have found this tactic really works. It's really a desperate move, because it is risky, and in case you use it at a city, you suffer damage anyway.
Perhaps we should edit the title of this post to be something a bit more constructive? Like "borderline abusive tactics"
February 6th, 2018, 08:03
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Tiltle, yes that's a good idea, I guess I'll let the thread owner come up with one himself though.
February 6th, 2018, 11:27
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Yes, I'm so pathetic I have to abuse these bugs to feel smart. Oh boy do I wish I were less pathetic and more smart so that instead of cleverly using the ruleset of a video game I could be making angry posts on an internet forum dedicated to a 25 year old video game.
February 6th, 2018, 13:32
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I am offended by the title of this thread. Please change it!
February 6th, 2018, 17:14
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I did, but I can't change the poll title or contents unfortunately.
At best I can close or delete the thread.
February 6th, 2018, 17:50
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I believe crusader Mike was being facetious
February 6th, 2018, 18:24
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February 6th, 2018, 21:51
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Hard to make a joke these days -- people are so literal
... or liberal?
February 6th, 2018, 21:59
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Btw, I voted "yes" -- I love being smarter than AI and winning against overwhelming odds because AI is dumb as a rock. Proper balance of "cheating" versus "honest" game mechanics, process of "cheating" mechanisms discovery and etc -- all of this is 50% of charm of these old undying titles (MoO, MoM, Civ, etc).
If you look for 100% challenge -- go play online games against other people. I found to hate it -- it is a bottomless timesink, regardless how much time you invest into the game -- there is always someone who is significantly better than you. Such online game is self-balancing so that every satisfying victory is also an exhausting effort. Maybe fun, just of different sort -- I'd rather invest this time honing my table tennis skills.
February 7th, 2018, 04:31
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The issue is that that results in a game that can be "beaten". Once you know these 4 or 5 tricks you can face 100 nagas at turn 40, nbd. Then, the game loses its attraction - barring for people who take it to themselves to avoid these tricks, but then the line becomes fine on what's a challenge and what is not, and these tricks ruin the game even then. Example: the battle ends up with your cavalry outside at (battle) turn 10 because you stay outside to keep the mobility advantage and inflict some first strike hits to the attacking bears, it works but you end up 1 cavalry against 2 warbears and decide to forfeit the city but just spend the turns till 25 to avoid losing the cavalry... Result: you keep the city. What do you do? You lose your self-challenge and consider the game forfeited? Just an example - find your own example for the other tricks or if this one doesn't work for any reason.
Once you can beat the game like this, where's the challenge? What's the difference with sim farm or some my little pony game? How does repeating a learned trick even make you feel smart, as you say? In short... Keeping these tricks in the game, when they could be very simply fixed, limits the game, reduces its re-playability, and makes it less alluring to newcomers when people see videos on the web where they see these tactics and understand that it's "just all tricks".
Because yes, the fixes are simple. Of course when the discussion becomes a bunch of strawmen and gets closed when the solution is almost found then what else can one do than a provocative thread? Just leaving is always an option - lol at "consequences will be had" - but a provocation to elicit some thought through poking at the easy to find exposed nerves of the little left self-respect can be a last resort to see if things can change or the situation has become completely hopeless.
Considering the lines of thought... The odds don't look good. I am available to discuss these tricks in a more structured manner but I want to know if there is any reasonable chance to cause change in the system. If it's just going to be a wall of reactionary defence by the thought bubble crew - of which the clearest symptom is thread closing - then I'm not going to bother, as clearly the effort is going to be great, first of all proving that the problem exists, which in a reactionary thought bubble situation is already far from granted. ("yes I like to keep cities by running away from them, it makes me feel smart" or something like that from the other thread)
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