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(July 12th, 2018, 12:13)pindicator Wrote: I have a fear that they peaced out and Gav only cares to avenge his sacred fish ...
Also, we haven't discussed Heroic Epic! I mean, we mentioned it before but I think in the excitement of everything else concrete plans for it have fallen by the wayside. (Really we probably should be chopping that in HJ instead of Parthenon!) Did we want to try for it in HJ after, or is there another city you would think suitable? I'm not sure there is another good coastal unit producer right now.
Possibly...
I was thinking HJ for HE as well, I don't see another city as good. Can we build it now? Don't we need an elite unit? did we get one?
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I will say though, plako continuing to whip is a good sign.
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Oh, I forgot about that HE requirement. And with our relatively bloodless war the highest XP unit we have is sitting at 7, so we couldn't build it if we wanted to.
I also had to log in to check: plako and Gav are still at war
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(July 12th, 2018, 21:20)pindicator Wrote: Oh, I forgot about that HE requirement. And with our relatively bloodless war the highest XP unit we have is sitting at 7, so we couldn't build it if we wanted to.
I also had to log in to check: plako and Gav are still at war
Right that's what I thought, although... don't we have a chariot at 8XP? And is that great spear at 7?
I was thinking about the HE reqs when we were doing the war, but we are definitely better off without losing a bunch of units.
I think we might want to continue to go for knights after engy. I think we want to eliminate gav. He's weakened in terms of city count and possibly tech speed. We can get to guilds before him and continue to boat him too. I just think if we want to catch up we're going to have to do that. Knights are also going to be the best way to take out his 2 mover stack. If plako and gav go into a protracted war that also helps.
Are we still putting EPs into plako? Once we get vision, I want to split Eps into our newly met rivals and Gav, with Gav getting the lions share. If we can get city visibility before we go back to war with him it'll be a huge advantage.
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Oh yeah, we were just shy of tech visibility on plako this turn but still putting everything into him. We should split that between plako and others; if I remember to log in again tonight I'll do that
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(July 12th, 2018, 22:30)pindicator Wrote: Oh yeah, we were just shy of tech visibility on plako this turn but still putting everything into him. We should split that between plako and others; if I remember to log in again tonight I'll do that
Is plako putting any eps into us?
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I logged in and had a look around.
Uh oh for plako. Sword army? not even the horses. Has that city always been plako's? Lucky we have CKN to counter swords. I hope Gav is going for the throat and not giving plako peace. The fact that plako took 5 cities and still holds 4 bodes well for this possibility.
I tried to fix the EPs, but for some reason my screen isn't displaying the right text stuff so I can't read the EPs. I'll have to log on at home not the office later. We have like 6 people that we don't have graphs on... What do you think? What's more important? getting graphs or getting city visibility on Gav's Confucius cities? I think I'm leaning towards get tech vis on plako and then dump everything into gav...
Tech:
-How much of a tech bonus would getting priesthood before monarchy give us? +20%? I think that might be worth it. + build gold while on the religious tech
-either way monarchy will be a 1t tech
-I also noticed that no one seems to have gotten the free drama artist? Do we want that? If we did we could culture bomb down south if need be. Alternative defense tech plan.
-Fued>guilds seems too far away for immediate help in Gav defense. I do think we can get there before Gav in any case.
-I don't know that we will be able to get to theo during the GA, if the choice is between Engy and theo, Engy and the 3 move roads are more important for defense
-I favor Lit>construction>engy>priest>monarchy: IF we can get it done before the last turn of GA ends allowing us to swap into HR. If not then Lit>construction>priest>monarchy>engy
-I think think tech path this will depend on the academy
Glad the cap is building a spear. Maybe we should build some 1t cats in between missionary builds with the overflow? Cats will still be useful though not as good as CKN they are 10H cheaper.
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I set Eps to finish tech vis on plako and dump the rest into gav.
I checked Gav's Eps on us.
222 EPs, that's up substantially from 144. He must be dumping into us. It won't stop us from getting city vis though. It'll just take a few extra turns.
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(July 13th, 2018, 03:49)Lewwyn Wrote: Tech:
-How much of a tech bonus would getting priesthood before monarchy give us? +20%? I think that might be worth it. + build gold while on the religious tech
-either way monarchy will be a 1t tech
-I also noticed that no one seems to have gotten the free drama artist? Do we want that? If we did we could culture bomb down south if need be. Alternative defense tech plan.
-Fued>guilds seems too far away for immediate help in Gav defense. I do think we can get there before Gav in any case.
-I don't know that we will be able to get to theo during the GA, if the choice is between Engy and theo, Engy and the 3 move roads are more important for defense
-I favor Lit>construction>engy>priest>monarchy: IF we can get it done before the last turn of GA ends allowing us to swap into HR. If not then Lit>construction>priest>monarchy>engy
-I think think tech path this will depend on the academy
Glad the cap is building a spear. Maybe we should build some 1t cats in between missionary builds with the overflow? Cats will still be useful though not as good as CKN they are 10H cheaper.
The tech bonus is an additional 20%, and Priesthood is a very cheap tech at 80b (before modifiers, but since we're only talking about percentages there's no need to get the exact figures for this game). Monarchy I believe is 300b, so you would make up most of the cost of priesthood worth. I know the famous example is CoL making Priesthood be "free" (which is also incorrect, but close enough in spirit ), but at 300b we'll be going from a 120% bonus to 140%, so it is really less than 20% - even more so when you account for known civ bonuses. If I get a chance I'll look at that tonight and get some hard numbers.
Really though, I only would do Priesthood of you have a desire to build temples - and I'd rather just go straight into Monarchy as I cannot see a good use for temples for us.
I still want Monarchy by the end of the GA for the civic swap. I'd prefer Theology for the same reason but at least if we miss that we'd still be in a serviceable Org Rel.
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Logged in to move the chariot now that gav had played. Moved it, realized the pause was in, double it the pause button to use one second and make the chariot move... and bam I got hit with a diplo screen asking for open borders from nauflgeur. But I paused so fast that I actually unpaused and repaused as the diplo screen came up and literally locked myself into the diplo screen. Couldn't unpause, couldn't dismiss. Then I realized I couldn't exit the game either... I had to drop, I hope it doesn't screw anything up.
Anyway... Gav moved more elephants and assorted units onto that hill threatening plakos city. I couldn't see what all plako had, but he has a large army in that city and some HAs flowing to the city. Gav also had another elephant coming up at the city from the SE. TBS Impi was also there to watch.
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