[Spoilers] The More Things Change... - Lurker Thread

[Mardoc]

I didn't know about the ocean/naval changes. I suppose avoiding the naval civs makes some degree of more sense now that I've read about that.

I'm really curious to see how it works in practice.  It looks like a nerf, but maybe navies can still play a big role and Krill's just introduced terrain and tactics? I can imagine naval civs being even more important if they can make and break chokepoints better than everyone else, but I don't know if it will work that way in reality.

[naufragar]

I didn't know about the ocean/naval changes. I suppose avoiding the naval civs makes some degree of more sense now that I've read about that.

I'm really curious to see how it works in practice.  It looks like a nerf, but maybe navies can still play a big role and Krill's just introduced terrain and tactics?  I can imagine naval civs being even more important if they can make and break chokepoints better than everyone else, but I don't know if it will work that way in reality.

Civ4 always gives the defender an advantage. There are certain points that swing back to the attacker (knights, navies, bombers), and it feels like this version of RtR nerfs the main ones. Back to a more economic game? Whether this works I guess is the point of this game.

[The Black Sword]

Attaching the map here since I can't find an option to do so by PM. Guess lurkers with no self-restraint can spoil themselves.

[Hollybombay]

Had a quick look around and noticed some fun things.

Commodore/Beardbeard/Gavagai share the same island. ( i think ) and I believe Commodore has like a 7 fur city that he i believe can feed. Also, Krill is next to Shaka/Rome. That ought to be fun. Rusten seems to have food tier he can eat through, so im placing him as #1 to win. Superdeath is on the same island as bismark/mali Dark Savant. Should be an interesting game.

[Katinka]

Would someone mind taking a couple of screenshots of the map and posting them here? It was fun seeing the whole map with starting positions in PB38, and I can't download the save myself.

[The Black Sword]

Mini map in the spoiler below.

[boak]

poor gav, being neighboured with beardbeard

[scooter]

Yeah, someone definitely should have taken Vikings, RtR changes regardless. Of the vaguely contender-ish tier, I like Rusten's combination of location and neighbors the most I think.

[Juri]

He has a decent amount of distance from beardbeard, so it's not as bad as it could be. This map is big!

[Juri]

Must be nice being Adler and having a whole cozy continent to yourself. Ball also nominally has this but it's not that hard for Pin to boat over and settle the bottom of it whereas Adlers will probably just actually go uncontested.

Lol @ the giant pile of furs near Comm and the spices on the Rusten continent