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Civ AI Survivor: Season Five

Last game, I was in total agreement with the communauty (Caesar winner, Sury runner-up, Asoka FTD)... and the result was disastrous.
So maybe it's a good sign that this time I disagree with the communauty on pretty much everything? lol

Winner
Communauty: Huyna Capac >>>> Gilgamesh / Mehmed
Me: Gilgamesh >> Huyna Capac

Rationale:
Gilgamesh has a monster capital (duh), but also the best land for his core cities: big river, green tiles, food, metal...
He's also bordering the three weaker civs (Gandhi, Hannibal, Peter): he should be among the first to make a move, and has the best opportunities for pointy stick expansion.

Huyna Capac has poor land, and is going to lack metals until Cuzco can grab the Iron back from the Hinduist Holy City or he founds in the deep tundra.
He'll probably end up on the wrong side of the religious divide with one or both of the stronger early midgame AIs: Mehmed and Gilgamesh.
And that'll spell his doom.
He does have a shot, though, if he expands aggressively to the North or conquers Peter early for instance.

But while I stand by my assessment that their opening round confrontation (hey, how come they end up in the same playoff game btw? wildcard, duh  duh) was an even match, here Gilgamesh is holding the best cards by far.

Runner-up
Communauty: Gilgamesh >> Mehmed > Hannibal
Me: Mehmed >> Hannibal

Rationale:
Mehmed has the most room to expand and is bordering Gandhi. He should enter the midgame as one the biggest and strongest (militarily) AIs.
And then, as a low peace weight AI in a low peace weight field, with accrued shared military struggle bonuses to boot, he'll be pleased or better with most others... and he can't declare at pleased.
That means he'll have a hard time snowballing to a leading position... but also be at lower risk of exposing himself to a backstab.
So unless he founds a religion and thus finds himself at odds with Gilgamesh, he's the best placed for a 2nd place finish alongside Gilgamesh.

Hannibal is a much weaker chance I believe, except in the case of a Huyna Capac win.

And since I have Gilgamesh as the grand favourite for winning the game, I obviously can't have him as a favourite for runner-up. wink

First-to-die
Communauty: Gandhi >>>> Peter
Me: Gandhi >> Hannibal

Rationale:
Peter first to die? Well, maybe if the attack on Gandhi comes late enough that he has metal, with his enemies alternating attacks instead of coordinating them, and that Huyna Capac conquers Peter in the meantime?
But I think Hannibal is much more likely to be first to die, for the reasons I gave a coupla days ago in my post above.

Anyway, Gandhi is obviously the most likely to be first to die: no metal, and dogpile bait.

Victory Condition
Communauty: Spaceship >> Domination
Me: Cultural >> Domination

Rationale:
Both favourites heavily emphasize cultural victory.
They might stumble into a domination win, but with these guys a spaceship win is incredibly unlikely here.
Huyna Capac is not a low peace weight Mansa Musa.
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(August 12th, 2020, 18:31)Wyatan Wrote: Last game, I was in total agreement with the communauty (Caesar winner, Sury runner-up, Asoka FTD)... and the result was disastrous.
So maybe it's a good sign that this time I disagree with the communauty on pretty much everything? lol

The community assessment (or at least where Sullla ends up, and those tend to be fairly similar) has been disastrously and hilariously wrong all season.

I've been watching but not guessing myself.
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(August 13th, 2020, 19:31)Cyneheard Wrote:
(August 12th, 2020, 18:31)Wyatan Wrote: Last game, I was in total agreement with the communauty (Caesar winner, Sury runner-up, Asoka FTD)... and the result was disastrous.
So maybe it's a good sign that this time I disagree with the communauty on pretty much everything? lol

The community assessment (or at least where Sullla ends up, and those tend to be fairly similar) has been disastrously and hilariously wrong all season.

I've been watching but not guessing myself.



I think at this point most people are playing the odds. Players like Ghandi and Asoka FTD are at LEAST 50/50, so you might as well pick them. I personally feel like the reading of this season has been the best ever by the community even if it's ultimately wrong(!?). People are reading the map better, people are going beyond peaceweights, we have a ton more info this season.

I was one of the ones that spurred the creation of alternate histories by loudly proclaiming everything was totally random, and sullla did AH and proved me wrong. It's not totally random, it just feels totally random when the FTD favorites continue to win the games or etc.
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Playoff Game 3 Predictions:

Winner: Gilgamesh
Runner Up: Mehmed
First to Die: Gandhi
Total Number of Wars: 12
End Date: T324
Victory Condition: Domination

Notes: TBH I didn't think on this one too hard, brain kinda frazzled this week, but I really like Gilgamesh's capital and Mehmed's capital. Huayna's probably the odds-on choice, but I guess Mehmed gets the better of the inevitable Gandhi kill (along with possibly Gilgamesh), Gilgamesh ends up conquering around (religious conflict with Huayna, probably), in the end he kills enough people to win via Domination. I really like his Creative/Protective in a field where half of them might not research Mysticism and when copper is scarce. Mehmed gets a lot of early boost from so much food and just has good spots around him.

Even if Gandhi isn't FTD he is blatantly the most likely to be, although mad props to the one guy who picked Gandhi to win. Less wars than might be expected due to so many similar peaceweights. Somewhat late finish and Domination because religious diplo keeps Pleased wars going.
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Playoff Game Three is finished! We were wondering how things would be sabotaged for the picking contest and we were not disappointed! lol I hope it was an entertaining game for everyone to watch. Here's a batch of links for the upcoming final game:

Main Season Five Webpage

Sullla Twitch Page

Sullla Discord Channel

AI Reference Guide from CivFanatics

Playoff Game Three Livestream

Next Game: Season Five Championship Game

Schedule: Scheduled for Friday, 28 August 2020 at Noon EST (two weeks from now, not one week)

Championship Game Video Preview

Championship Game Written Preview

Championship Game Picking Contest Entry Form

Congratulations to Lump77 as the sole winner of Playoff Game Three's picking contest with a score of 21 points. thumbsup Scoring was about average for this game with an average score of 7.07 points thanks to some of the community favorites facepalming in various ways. Pindicator has narrowly taken the season-long lead over Kjotleik, marbe166, and MJG in a race that's coming down to the wire. We are concluding with a Friday date in TWO weeks for the final championship game. There will still be an AI Survivor stream at the usual Friday time slot next week as we build some hype for the upcoming finals. Make your picks carefully as we wrap up this year's competition!
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Still not really a fan of these championship game mirrored starts. Feels very gamey and it ends up with a start that rewards things pretty differently: Everyone is coastal, everyone has a Hunting resource at the capital, so Fishing and Hunting get an artificial boost. Everyone has copper at the start in a season where a lack of copper has been a recurring theme. Despite taking place on a Cold map in the Cold season the Finals are very obviously not Cold, I'm still not really a fan.

Playoff Game Three thoughts:

Hey, my YOLO play worked out! I did really like Gilgamesh and Mehmed's starts, Gilgamesh is a good AI, I was right Creative would be strong here. I actually think Mehmed got fairly screwed this game with the barbarians, which stunted his triple Agriculture growth, but it got made up for by Gandhi taking Huayna's iron which kept Huayna from attacking for hundreds of years (the AI won't attack with just horses and archers if it can help it). I don't know that Gilgamesh + Mehmed is the HIGHEST PERCENTAGE play, but I do think Gilgamesh was the 2nd best and that Gilgamesh + Mehmed make natural allies this game. It was funny how Gilgamesh went from struggling with Hannibal to running over everyone, but Mehmed/Peter had THE incompetent 2v1 war so.

So, with Mehmed, Washington and the like, is this the weakest championship field ever? I find it hilarious only one Pool One leader made it to the end and it was Charlemagne, the one nobody believed in. Perhaps my like of him was not misplaced? Charlemagne, Willem and Gilgamesh all appeared in the Season Four Championship, perhaps surprising to have so much of many returning leaders with more middling scores. Washington and Mehmed, with the lowest scores, both went to the north. Washington and Asoka being in the north together when this map has sooooooo much north-south distance could matter.
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Final game thoughts

This championship game feels like a battle of losers in the WC game, I vaguely want to punch all the AIs in the face for making it there.

Is there even a single seeded leader in the entire batch? Like Gilgamesh vaguely is appropriate there, maaaaybe Willem, everyone is else is a piece of garbage.

It's so reminiscent of last year's game where on an equal map if you insert a single HC/Musa/Justinian etc., they just can't POSSIBLY lose. Further alternate history permutation is to stick a top leader in this or last season's championship game and see if they can win like 20/20.
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(August 14th, 2020, 21:01)Fluffball Wrote: Final game thoughts

This championship game feels like a battle of losers in the WC game, I vaguely want to punch all the AIs in the face for making it there.

Is there even a single seeded leader in the entire batch? Like Gilgamesh vaguely is appropriate there, maaaaybe Willem, everyone is else is a piece of garbage.

It's so reminiscent of last year's game where on an equal map if you insert a single HC/Musa/Justinian etc., they just can't POSSIBLY lose. Further alternate history permutation is to stick a top leader in this or last season's championship game and see if they can win like 20/20.

Here's a link of the updated standings (just sort by the Sulla ranking) [spoiler warning] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...sp=sharing

As far as the rankings go, Charlie, Gilgamesh, and Willem seeing like deserving entrants. Even though Asoka had a very low chance of making it out of his game, he's been a solid performer so far as well. Mehmed and Washington definitely not so much haha, though this isn't the first time we've seen lower ranked leaders slowly start to make a difference.
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(August 14th, 2020, 22:40)Borsche Wrote:
(August 14th, 2020, 21:01)Fluffball Wrote: Final game thoughts

This championship game feels like a battle of losers in the WC game, I vaguely want to punch all the AIs in the face for making it there.

Is there even a single seeded leader in the entire batch? Like Gilgamesh vaguely is appropriate there, maaaaybe Willem, everyone is else is a piece of garbage.

It's so reminiscent of last year's game where on an equal map if you insert a single HC/Musa/Justinian etc., they just can't POSSIBLY lose. Further alternate history permutation is to stick a top leader in this or last season's championship game and see if they can win like 20/20.

Here's a link of the updated standings (just sort by the Sulla ranking) [spoiler warning] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...sp=sharing

As far as the rankings go, Charlie, Gilgamesh, and Willem seeing like deserving entrants. Even though Asoka had a very low chance of making it out of his game, he's been a solid performer so far as well. Mehmed and Washington definitely not so much haha, though this isn't the first time we've seen lower ranked leaders slowly start to make a difference.

Ya I know but... I mean CMON. Those are some SERIOUSLY weak competitors, and I will not stop saying burger king is a total fraud unless he wins like 8 seasons in a row since he never actually, well yknow, wins. He let's others lose.
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It's hard to say Gilgamesh isn't deserving of being here after two wins and four kills this season, he's had good games before and some bad luck in the past (his S1 starting spot is so bad it'd never be accepted nowadays). I'm on the train that while Charlemagne is not the 7th best leader in the game, people who think he is a total fraud are underrating him and he's a reasonable leader.
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