Lewwyn is on the List - SPOILER THREAD

[Lewwyn]

Mysticism is such a great starting tech now. I mean +1 base commerce is amazing early game + myst is a more expensive tech so if you don't start with it you might not get around to teching it early and then you are way behind the tech curve of all the civs that started with Myst. The more i look at it the more I'm convinced you need a civ that starts with Myst, if you don't you are already two steps behind. It's pretty much a snowball all on it's own. Particularly if it leads you to an early religion.


So... the question is, do I throw away my game and try out the America civ and make the best of it, or do I try to win and start with a Myst civ?

[BRickAstley]

I would take the option that gives the best overall chance, so a civ with Myst. Because you need one voice speaking sanity before everyone comes in posting 'Murica! gifs to try to persuade you that way.

[Lewwyn]

I would take the option that gives the best overall chance, so a civ with Myst. Because you need one voice speaking sanity before everyone comes in posting 'Murica! gifs to try to persuade you that way.  

Dude I didn't even think about all the Murica Memes I could be using in my thread! Holy Shit! What potential! I think that might even give me the best overall chance of winning... the thread post war.

[scooter]

[pindicator]

[BRickAstley]

Told you.

[pindicator]

Scooter and I had a bunch of these in PB31 but the links are all busted now

[pindicator]

Not exactly Murica, but I like it

[scooter]

The only thing I found in my dropbox was this. Feel like that's pretty good. Pretty sure I made that in paint. So if you decide on Charlemagne of America by any chance, you're ready to go.

[Lewwyn]

Nah Myst is broken. Byzantium, Aztec, Spain, Korea, Celt, Maya all look like viable starters. Also go for religion first, particularly with Aztec and other civs that don't start with the wheel, is viable. 

Byz with CHA could be very very good. cheap Hippodromes and high promoted phracts? Yes please. Also CHA Byz could mean no religion but could mean early stonehenge push no need to go for religion early.

Aztec with ORG could mean crazy sac altars. It also starts with Hunting meaning that we can go religion first, have the worker do the Deer, then tech the cheap agr no problem. Swords still suck I think but at least you don't need iron right away. A well timed rush with whipped jags could be passable? 

Spain with FIN with this start could be super interesting. Get a religion and a workboat, size 2 do worker with that 3 commerce fish. And conquistadors could be good,good. Oh I like this. This feels like a power game.

Maya is pretty good with CHA Ball courts. Definitely viable, but not sold on the mining

Korea has Hwacha and Seowon, which ok. Its also a mining start which is weak. Could be interesting to actually try PHI with this.

India sucks, Inca nerfed, HRE pass.



Yeah man Give me Spain, Byz or Aztec.

Sorry Charriu you nerfed all the civs that don't start with Myst. America I would totally try if not for the Myst bonus commerce AND the fact that you upped the cost of it making it difficult to get to early and a huge cost opportunity. You basically have forced everyone to try and get Myst because otherwise every civ that doesn't gets -1 commerce. So just to break even with the other civs you have to tech Myst even if you don't want to go for a religion early. And by making it more expensive you made it harder to do that as well. Basically a waste of time and commerce. Anyone who doesn't pick a myst civ has to consume a neighbor in the early game to keep par I think. Cyrus of mongols might possibly be able to do it, but not much else.