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Rowain · September 2nd, 2020, 11:41

Some crossposting that happened.

AdrienIer · September 2nd, 2020, 11:44

(September 2nd, 2020, 11:40)AdrienIer Wrote: naufragar feels towny to me, not 100% but good enough. The vote parking is bad though, so I'm hoping he turns around on that. I'm not going to project RB meta on the newbies right away without letting them adapt

Waiting for SD to expand on stuff. I don't really want to take the pressure off when he hasn't given me a reason to do that. I mean, literally the only suspicion that he expressed towards a player (in his last post) he didn't vote on.

To be clear I want SD to give us a vote on someone accompanied by reasons for that vote. Along with some reads on other players. Otherwise that's extremely unhelpful to town. Then I'll reassess, but without guarantee to vote elsewhere.

naufragar · September 2nd, 2020, 11:45

(September 2nd, 2020, 11:40)Rowain Wrote: Please if you are town do contribute and look whom else you might find wolf-like and whom you rather safe from the gallows. Sitting on a 1-vote guy all day long is harmful for the town.

Ack. Have apparently really stepped in it. As I said in my big post on Serdoa, Superdeath is my third choice vote.

Closing browser now. Will resolve any cross posting issues a few hours from now.

Rowain · September 2nd, 2020, 11:45

(September 2nd, 2020, 11:02)El Grillo Wrote: Rowain, why would I vote for Lewwyn? Just because I disagree with him on my own innocence?

That happens more often than not.

(September 2nd, 2020, 11:02)El Grillo Wrote: I like his activity level and there are enough other players who seem content to sit on the sidelines for Day 1 without much engagement. I want to hear more from them and will vote accordingly.

No problem with that.

Rowain · September 2nd, 2020, 11:49

History:

Tally:
SD (4): CMF,AdrienIer,Lewwyn,naufragar
Commodore (3): ElGrillo,Rowain,scooter
GKC (2): Charriu, SD
Pindi (2): Cyneheard,Gaspar
naufragar (2): GKC,Serdoa
Lewwyn (2): Bob, pindi
AdrienIer (1): Meiz
Gaspar (1): Commodore

not voted (0):

pindicator · September 2nd, 2020, 11:50

(September 2nd, 2020, 11:29)Lewwyn Wrote:
(September 2nd, 2020, 11:10)pindicator Wrote:
(September 1st, 2020, 20:10)Lewwyn Wrote: You're asking the right questions? who is pushing nauf? Personally I think nauf is pushing nauf. But that may be Nauf pushing himself as a town or scum I admit that. But nauf is also very instructive for someone else as I'll explain later.

You're asking the right questions? - don't follow what you mean here since I didn't write that sentence. I'm telling GKC this is stuff to be asking now even if we do not have the answers yet.

And I have to admit, while I'm a little flattered by your post about my post here Lewwyn, I have my hackles up about how you do not catch my mistake on Gaspar's vote like Gaspar did but instead jump in with my conclusion. This seems like something a town Lewwyn would be roasting me for. Instead the response you give and the buddying up feels contrived.

I typoed a question mark there. That first question mark should be an ! but of course no editing. Basically my point here was that I was point to the first person to vote for nauf was El Grillo.

Don't be flattered, I was more focused on why you were wrong than right. Basically I wanted to point out that you were missing the connection on El Grillo and nauf and disabuse the notion that El Grillo was a good villager. However the last few posts with El grillo have very much lowered my suspcions of him.

The bit about Gaspar, I didn't even really see the bus mistake because I was focused more on explaining my take on what gave Gaspar a scum feeling, which had nothing to do with the bus mistake vote.

Okay, i see what you're saying in your previous response now.
The flattery bit I got in the rest of the post about how you responded to other quotes of mine.

Dammit, I would have expected scum Lewwyn to jump back and attack me after voting him.

(September 2nd, 2020, 11:10)pindicator Wrote: #168
Commodore, there you are! And you're writing about stuff that I'm coming around to on my read this morning. From my playing with superdeath I do agree that being curt is a characteristic of his, especially when cornered, but he also needs to participate more otherwise it's going to look more like he's trying to fly under the radar. However, this gaspar-lewwyn lovefest you mention is also something I'm picking up on today's read of the overnight stuff. I'm more suspicious of Lewwyn than Gaspar myself, for reasons stated earlier in this post.

I really don't think there is much of a love fest and I've explained my stance on Gaspar several times now this morning. But why me over Gaspar then? Is this reverse shame? You made a mistake, got called out on it by Gaspar, and are less likely to vote for Gaspar now?
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Well, more that I could see Commodore's argument of a Gaspar - Lewwyn wolf lovefest as a possibility with you two agreeing to put attacks towards different targets and see which one sticks better. As for my vote on you as opposed to Gaspar, yeah you're probably right: a bit of shame in making a mistake and being called on it. He is due a re-read. So are several other people, which has to happen tonight if i'm going to get it in because by the time I do all the dog routine in the morning then we're just an hour shy of deadline. PBEM 78 people are going to hate me for not working on their map...

@GeneralKilCavalry, can you give us some more thoughts about players you haven't mentioned? Looking back at your last posts I only see you bringing up your editing mistake and a little bit about Serdoa. A "make that what you will" about Rowain ... but you've got very little actual content for 14 posts.

pindicator · September 2nd, 2020, 11:51

(September 2nd, 2020, 11:50)pindicator Wrote:
(September 1st, 2020, 20:10)Lewwyn Wrote:
(September 2nd, 2020, 11:10)pindicator Wrote: #168
Commodore, there you are! And you're writing about stuff that I'm coming around to on my read this morning. From my playing with superdeath I do agree that being curt is a characteristic of his, especially when cornered, but he also needs to participate more otherwise it's going to look more like he's trying to fly under the radar. However, this gaspar-lewwyn lovefest you mention is also something I'm picking up on today's read of the overnight stuff. I'm more suspicious of Lewwyn than Gaspar myself, for reasons stated earlier in this post.

I really don't think there is much of a love fest and I've explained my stance on Gaspar several times now this morning. But why me over Gaspar then? Is this reverse shame? You made a mistake, got called out on it by Gaspar, and are less likely to vote for Gaspar now?

Well, more that I could see Commodore's argument of a Gaspar - Lewwyn wolf lovefest as a possibility with you two agreeing to put attacks towards different targets and see which one sticks better. As for my vote on you as opposed to Gaspar, yeah you're probably right: a bit of shame in making a mistake and being called on it. He is due a re-read. So are several other people, which has to happen tonight if i'm going to get it in because by the time I do all the dog routine in the morning then we're just an hour shy of deadline. PBEM 78 people are going to hate me for not working on their map...

@GeneralKilCavalry, can you give us some more thoughts about players you haven't mentioned? Looking back at your last posts I only see you bringing up your editing mistake and a little bit about Serdoa. A "make that what you will" about Rowain ... but you've got very little actual content for 14 posts.

Correcting this quote since I bungled it in my previous.

Commodore · September 2nd, 2020, 11:58

(September 2nd, 2020, 11:02)El Grillo Wrote: Rowain, why would I vote for Lewwyn? Just because I disagree with him on my own innocence? I like his activity level and there are enough other players who seem content to sit on the sidelines for Day 1 without much engagement. I want to hear more from them and will vote accordingly.

I want to call this out as a really good post, and one Serdoa/Naufragar should take to heart. El Grillo, you seem like a Wrong Villager. Just don't vote for a townie and you can even make it to Right Villager.

Cyneheard, Bob, Gaspar, SD all need to check in today. And Scooter, please check in with substance.

GeneralKilCavalry · September 2nd, 2020, 12:09

(September 2nd, 2020, 08:11)naufragar Wrote: Oh Serdoa, you come back and it’s like you’ve forgotten all about me. To recap: I needled Lewwyn and you jumped to his defense:

(September 1st, 2020, 11:49)Serdoa Wrote: I think Lewwyn and I have a special bond. I would vote him back but I don't like what that would do currently.
Notice two things: You don’t yet find my question scummy. In fact, you consider it valid and defend Lewwyn from it. Second, you have this weird non-sequitur about how a “normal” Serdoa would react in a vacuum but there’s circumstances preventing it (specifically, you don’t want to put Lewwyn in the lead).

Then GKC votes for me for being defensive while Rowain comes at me for a more substantive reason. This is when you go in on me. I give an explanation here. You don’t like it, so you keep at me, ending with:

Finally, as an addendum, here’s why I think GKC is scummy. He votes punchy and reactive: he voted for Commodore (jokingly) for roleplay (11). Then Cyneheard gets his vote for poking his head up to tell GKC how to use the code tags (26). Then I respond to Lewwyn and he votes me for being defensive (40). Pindicator points out his vote hopping to which GKC responds “Do you want me to make that into 4 votes in 6 posts? Not a lot to discuss at this stage, except Serdoa/naufragar being a bit confrontational and awkward.” (https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/show...#pid744393). Pindi prods him on voting multiple times and his reaction is “I’ll vote for you if you poke me.” Notice this is different from his repeated (87) (113) (125) requests to ignore his first two votes because he was “simply testing out the commands.”

But let’s say that his first real vote is on me. Why? “My vote for nauf is more of a way to prod” (100). I might’ve missed it, but has he put any analysis into that vote afterwards, or indeed any post so far? Lots of playing defense (I empathize); very little forward motion. Except! The one tantalizing bit is scummy!

(September 1st, 2020, 19:56)GeneralKilCavalry Wrote: Nauf awkwardly dancing around it just made it worth latching onto, and putting more pressure onto awkwardness is the MO of the opening few turns of this game, as far as I understand.

Just wanted to point out that Rowain was the first to latch onto this minor minor detail. (See post #36) Make of that what you will...
My read of Rowain is town. Consequently I think the people who have been taking passive aggressive jabs at him (like GKC) are suspect. What in the world is this last sentence doing? All GKC has done is parrot the consensus “Nauf was defensive” but added a little spotlight onto Rowain.

Alright. This has already taken up my morning cereal and most of my morning coffee. Serdoa, although I’d be happy with a GKC vote. I would vote Superdeath for anti-town-ness. Don’t have a read on him either way.

Don't expect this often. It's exhausting.

Repeating something once is hardly parroting, you are grasping at straws.

I think I've found the hundred-post long fallout of your minor comment to be sufficient proof that my vote was well-placed in prodding you for more of a response as you further slide into pearl-clutching. My three latter responses were to make sure people don't interpret my first two votes as part of any meaningful. My first real game action here was to point our your sudden defensiveness to Rowain's comment. Speaking of which Rowain's comment was not substantive in any way, he's what, pointing out your joke vote is not in line with your observations? Your subsequent reaction was much more problematic. You two have had some awkward interactions, frankly. You're hard defending him now, which isn't a problem in and of itself, but the action chain :

5. pindi votes Rowain
6. naufr votes Pindi

Occurred within a 5 minute timespan.

Your behavior is most perplexing to me. One theory I could construct out of this is that you made an amateur slip-up with both you and rowain as scum, and he redirected you. I don't believe this explanation because rowain has behaved in a very amicable and town-like fashion, but again, you've been... awkward around him?

Serdoa, if your self-vote was meant to provoke a reaction, kudos to you.

I'm keeping my vote on nauf for now while I get through the rest of this thread and find something more juicy. I'll document these below:

I need to read what this commodore-SD drama is... and lmao ppl are just going off 1 single interaction? Yeah, I don't see any issues there...

GeneralKilCavalry · September 2nd, 2020, 12:10

(September 2nd, 2020, 11:50)pindicator Wrote:
(September 2nd, 2020, 11:29)Lewwyn Wrote:
(September 2nd, 2020, 11:10)pindicator Wrote:
(September 1st, 2020, 20:10)Lewwyn Wrote: You're asking the right questions? who is pushing nauf? Personally I think nauf is pushing nauf. But that may be Nauf pushing himself as a town or scum I admit that. But nauf is also very instructive for someone else as I'll explain later.

You're asking the right questions? - don't follow what you mean here since I didn't write that sentence. I'm telling GKC this is stuff to be asking now even if we do not have the answers yet.

And I have to admit, while I'm a little flattered by your post about my post here Lewwyn, I have my hackles up about how you do not catch my mistake on Gaspar's vote like Gaspar did but instead jump in with my conclusion. This seems like something a town Lewwyn would be roasting me for. Instead the response you give and the buddying up feels contrived.

I typoed a question mark there. That first question mark should be an ! but of course no editing. Basically my point here was that I was point to the first person to vote for nauf was El Grillo.

Don't be flattered, I was more focused on why you were wrong than right. Basically I wanted to point out that you were missing the connection on El Grillo and nauf and disabuse the notion that El Grillo was a good villager. However the last few posts with El grillo have very much lowered my suspcions of him.

The bit about Gaspar, I didn't even really see the bus mistake because I was focused more on explaining my take on what gave Gaspar a scum feeling, which had nothing to do with the bus mistake vote.
Okay, i see what you're saying in your previous response now.
The flattery bit I got in the rest of the post about how you responded to other quotes of mine.

Dammit, I would have expected scum Lewwyn to jump back and attack me after voting him.

(September 2nd, 2020, 11:10)pindicator Wrote: #168
Commodore, there you are! And you're writing about stuff that I'm coming around to on my read this morning. From my playing with superdeath I do agree that being curt is a characteristic of his, especially when cornered, but he also needs to participate more otherwise it's going to look more like he's trying to fly under the radar. However, this gaspar-lewwyn lovefest you mention is also something I'm picking up on today's read of the overnight stuff. I'm more suspicious of Lewwyn than Gaspar myself, for reasons stated earlier in this post.

I really don't think there is much of a love fest and I've explained my stance on Gaspar several times now this morning. But why me over Gaspar then? Is this reverse shame? You made a mistake, got called out on it by Gaspar, and are less likely to vote for Gaspar now?

Well, more that I could see Commodore's argument of a Gaspar - Lewwyn wolf lovefest as a possibility with you two agreeing to put attacks towards different targets and see which one sticks better. As for my vote on you as opposed to Gaspar, yeah you're probably right: a bit of shame in making a mistake and being called on it. He is due a re-read. So are several other people, which has to happen tonight if i'm going to get it in because by the time I do all the dog routine in the morning then we're just an hour shy of deadline. PBEM 78 people are going to hate me for not working on their map...

@GeneralKilCavalry, can you give us some more thoughts about players you haven't mentioned? Looking back at your last posts I only see you bringing up your editing mistake and a little bit about Serdoa. A "make that what you will" about Rowain ... but you've got very little actual content for 14 posts.
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There you go, started typing it up right before you asked the question wink

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