September 2nd, 2020, 14:11
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History:
Tally:
SD (5): CMF, AdrienIer, Lewwyn, naufragar, Charriu
Bob (3): Gaspar, Commodore, Scooter
Commodore (2): ElGrillo, Rowain
naufragar (2): GKC, Serdoa
Lewwyn (2): Bob, pindi
GKC (1): SD
Pindi (1): Cyneheard
AdrienIer (1): Meiz
Gaspar (1): Commodore
not voted (0):
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
September 2nd, 2020, 14:20
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Think it's:
Tally:
SD (5): CMF, AdrienIer, Lewwyn, naufragar, Charriu
Bob (3): Gaspar, Commodore, Scooter
Commodore (2): ElGrillo, Rowain
naufragar (2): GKC, Serdoa
Lewwyn (2): Bob, pindi
GKC (1): SD
Pindi (1): Cyneheard
AdrienIer (1): Meiz
September 2nd, 2020, 14:21
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(September 2nd, 2020, 14:11)Lewwyn Wrote: History:
Tally:
SD (5): CMF, AdrienIer, Lewwyn, naufragar, Charriu
Bob (3): Gaspar, Commodore, Scooter
Commodore (2): ElGrillo, Rowain
naufragar (2): GKC, Serdoa
Lewwyn (2): Bob, pindi
GKC (1): SD
Pindi (1): Cyneheard
AdrienIer (1): Meiz
Gaspar (1): Commodore
not voted (0):
And now you have Commodore twice on Bob (correctly ) and on Gaspar 
History is correct
Tally:
SD (5): CMF,AdrienIer,Lewwyn,naufragar, Charriu
Bob (3): Gaspar,Commodore,scooter
Commodore (2): ElGrillo,Rowain
naufragar (2): GKC,Serdoa
Lewwyn (2): Bob, pindi
Pindi (1): Cyneheard
GKC (1): SD
AdrienIer (1): Meiz
not voted (0):
September 2nd, 2020, 14:24
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Checking in at lunchtime.
I accept this morning's responses from Commodore and appreciate his thoughts in this post. On the matter of superdeath, I know that he usually has Wednesdays off, except when he's called in for overtime, so unfortunately there's nothing to be gained speculating. That said, he absolutely owes us something in the next 22 hours, you can't play this game without engaging with at least some of other players. I'm not asking for detailed reads on all 16 of us, or a big list like CMF's, but I'm putting my vote on superdeath at deadline if he stays silent.
For now, I think there's much more to be gained by joining those pushing the wagon on Bobchillingworth. He still hasn't posted since last night and didn't respond to my question to him here, though it's worth noting that Rowain answered for him fairly quickly afterward. Bob, have you updated your thoughts on Lewwyn after the discussions he's initiated? Have any reads for us on anyone else?
September 2nd, 2020, 14:27
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Rowain, I'm struggling to find a lot of meat on the bones of your posts. I kind of expect you to kick it into gear here before the day is up, but I can't recall if you liked to have a couple days of information before really getting into cases or if you were content with the end of day 1. Haven't seen you give much opinion on anyone outside of naufrager, superdeath, and Commodore. Care to give your thoughts on the day in general so far, and maybe an opinion on one or two of the vets?
Was struck on the timing on the superdeath push when I went back through posts just now. Not sure that it means anything until we know what some of the parties involved flip, but filing it away for future info.
I do have the memory of a Bobchillingworth wolf being day 1 lynched due to a gaff that Lewwyn caught. Lewwyn, what do you think of Bobchillingworth's play here?
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September 2nd, 2020, 14:29
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“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
September 2nd, 2020, 14:30
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First: For those calling me out that I should not engage with naufragar alone: I didn't, I mentioned others and behavior I found questionable. I was even called out on it by naufragar and IIRC Commodore did quote me and my observation as well. But none of those is as conclusive to me right now as naufragar. I mean for gods sake, look at those last posts:
(September 2nd, 2020, 11:39)naufragar Wrote: (September 2nd, 2020, 11:29)Commodore Wrote: (September 2nd, 2020, 11:19)naufragar Wrote: My vote’s parked, and it would take a lot to budge, like if I was needed for a GKC lynch. I hope people will let me contribute without throwing my vote onto people I’m finding less suspicious than Serdoa.
Uh, so nothing you've said has really raised my hackles but this...this is bad. Please be willing to listen to other arguments; I'm certainly willing to listen to yours. There is a very high likelihood in a 17 player game that there are more than 1 wolf.
Apologies. I didn't mean it like that. Of course I'm not 100% certain on Serdoa. (This is not me backing down!) I meant that he's my leading candidate, but I'd still like to be able to have other discussions without people think I'm flip-flopping. My comment about GKC was meant to say that I'd vote at the end of the day for who I think is most scummy (currently Serdoa) but for who I think is more scummy if it's between two people and my vote helps lynch someone I've got a wolf-read on.
Not an edit but seeing I'm crossposting with Lewwyn: Again, apologies. My point with this was so that I'd be able to have more discussion. I take it back.
(September 2nd, 2020, 11:45)naufragar Wrote: (September 2nd, 2020, 11:40)Rowain Wrote: Please if you are town do contribute and look whom else you might find wolf-like and whom you rather safe from the gallows. Sitting on a 1-vote guy all day long is harmful for the town.
Ack. Have apparently really stepped in it. As I said in my big post on Serdoa, Superdeath is my third choice vote.
Closing browser now. Will resolve any cross posting issues a few hours from now.
Sorry for the big quote-list, but I feel it is important to view all these posts together. None of this is good. He apparently has me singled out as his Day 1 target (anti-town thing to do), his arguments against me are deliberately false to better fit the narrative he tries to spin (re-read them and tell me I'm crazy... he even lied about why I voted him) and when he is told what he does is bad, he does not explain why I am the right target. No, he budges easily... from basically stating that he believes I'm a wolf ("my vote's parked").
The last sentence does read textbook new wolf that was told "Lay low, get out of the heat." to me.
I had switched away from naufragar, but every interaction ends with him saying something that makes me think "Oh, what?". And I don't buy that this is just a new player having to find his footing. I do think however that some of this group do buy too much into his friendly act. I felt so in an earlier interaction as well, but I can't remember the names, have to look it up. If those are the same players though, I will question your motives.
(September 2nd, 2020, 11:58)Commodore Wrote: (September 2nd, 2020, 11:02)El Grillo Wrote: Rowain, why would I vote for Lewwyn? Just because I disagree with him on my own innocence? I like his activity level and there are enough other players who seem content to sit on the sidelines for Day 1 without much engagement. I want to hear more from them and will vote accordingly.
I want to call this out as a really good post, and one Serdoa/Naufragar should take to heart. El Grillo, you seem like a Wrong Villager. Just don't vote for a townie and you can even make it to Right Villager.
Cyneheard, Bob, Gaspar, SD all need to check in today. And Scooter, please check in with substance.
This is one of those posts I mean. Maybe you believe we two concentrate too much on the other, but maybe you just try to give Naufragar a good reason to let up from me, as that's not a good spot for a wolf to be on.
And yes, I'm certain that Naufragar is a wolf. I just don't see how all this errors can accumulate on Day 1 if he was a villager. But even if I saw past the errors, intentionally leaving things out, misrepresenting what was said and how things unfolded? No way.
(That said, I will re-read and you will get my other reads as well as I think there are quite a few connections that can be drawn. I am also trying to setup an interaction web that shows who talked with or about whom and how (subjectively) strong that interaction was, not sure I can get it working though.)
September 2nd, 2020, 14:31
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@Commodore
My reason for voting you is your fast defense of SD. A thing a WW loves to do. In case SD is town Once he is lynched you can point on your defense of a townie and second if this is standard SD-behavior he is a lynch waiting to happen and those are better left for later days for the easy win.
SD behavior is so far anti-town and if he is town I do hope he changes it during the ~20 hours left.
I don't see a good reason to jump on the SD waggon now and while I'm willing to give naufr,CMF (and in some small extent) charriu a pass for voting SD now I'm baffled that Lewwyn is still happy sitting on him.
September 2nd, 2020, 14:32
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With our powers combined! Bobchillingworth dies!
Or at least gets pushed to say something. SD is still close to top with 4, and he still needs to show something.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
September 2nd, 2020, 14:37
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What evidence is there for SD being scum?
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