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WW 46: Wolves Return to Realms Beyond

(September 2nd, 2020, 10:16)El Grillo Wrote:
(September 1st, 2020, 23:40)Bobchillingworth Wrote: Also, reading Chev's long participant rundown post, I realized there's special vote tags we can use (I was just making my text bolded and red), so Lewwyn

Bob, could you please give us a little more reasoning about this vote? You were another player I had noted as not having posted much substance so far, and from your other overnight post you sound like you have some experience in this meta. So why vote for Lewwyn like this? He's already been contributing plenty to the discussion, so it's not just a prod, but you gave no reasoning at all, so it also can't be an earnest effort to lynch him. Are you saying that you read him as scummy, and if so why?


Rowain already covered for me (which is wolfy behavior in-of itself, though not enough for me to change my vote, but my impression of Lewwyn hasn't improved. I think he's joining easy bandwagons and spamming the thread with gobs of low-quality filler, banter, and analysis that boils down to "I think X is a wolf! What say you???"

(September 2nd, 2020, 11:58)Commodore Wrote: Cyneheard, Bob, Gaspar, SD all need to check in today. And Scooter, please check in with substance.

Clearly unlike some others in this game, I have a job where I work for a living, and I don't have access to RB while I'm there. I got home an hour ago, and jumping into this thread somehow wasn't my first priority. I did warn that this would be the case prior to roles being assigned; lynch me if you will, but I'll caution the village to pay attention to who eagerly jumped on bandwagon which was both dumb and carried no risk.


(September 2nd, 2020, 12:52)Meiz Wrote: Gaspar takes the protect newbies and suspect the vets who should know better - stance early (you all know that, a classic wolf play).

I think he does this like every game.



The only player I'm fairly sure is village is Meiz, not because of anything he's written, but for the obnoxiously meta reason that he inherited thrawn's role, and I can't believe thrawn would have dropped if he was scum and had an entire team and subforum to help him along.
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(September 2nd, 2020, 17:58)Bobchillingworth Wrote: Rowain already covered for me (which is wolfy behavior in-of itself, though not enough for me to change my vote, but my impression of Lewwyn hasn't improved.  I think he's joining easy bandwagons and spamming the thread with gobs of low-quality filler, banter, and analysis that boils down to "I think X is a wolf!  What say you???"  

I think that's a gross oversimplification and lazy smear. Bandwagons create pressure and they create shifts and movement, there is no way to esatblish patterns or discern differences between people without movement of votes and engaging people. The amount of analysis and actual thoughts about what I think and what I see is way over any filler posts. Additionally banter has purpose as well. Drawing people into conversation is not trivial. And your simplification of "I think X is a wolf! What say you?" Is pretty much the goal of the game and what every villager should be doing.

Straight up broad, low quality weak sauce. rant

I think Bobchilingworth is a wolf guys. What do you think?
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I think everyone should be reminded - there's a reason the day is 48 hours. That gives everyone a chance to make about 4 meaningful posts. If someone's dropping below that, I'm concerned, but generally, i think everyone fits those criteria, except CMF, and even then there's time on the clock. I'm not going to vote on posting patterns in a forum game designed to accomodate time differences, whether that's the meta or not.

@nauf, serdoa switched to SD after SD voted for him if I am not mistaken, so  i'm not taking that argument fully. And I wouldn't say he's bending over backwards to protect me when he says verbatim that he suspects me. My main reason for thinking he is town is still his very early play, which does not seem scummy to me at all.
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(September 2nd, 2020, 17:58)Bobchillingworth Wrote: lynch me if you will, but I'll caution the village to pay attention to who eagerly jumped on bandwagon which was both dumb and carried no risk.  

Idk if this is RB meta, but this is considered a universal face-palm in the games I play.
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(September 2nd, 2020, 18:18)GeneralKilCavalry Wrote:
(September 2nd, 2020, 17:58)Bobchillingworth Wrote: lynch me if you will, but I'll caution the village to pay attention to who eagerly jumped on bandwagon which was both dumb and carried no risk.  

Idk if this is RB meta, but this is considered a universal face-palm in the games I play.

Yeah it's a facepalm, but I would also say that this isn't the first time Bob has said something to that effect.

Also @Bob I would rather lynch Cyneheard, but you're making that harder... What do you think of Cyneheard's posts?
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I don't really know what to say about Lewwyn and I coming to the same conclusions.
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(September 2nd, 2020, 18:18)GeneralKilCavalry Wrote: Idk if this is RB meta, but this is considered a universal face-palm in the games I play.

What, players spend a lot of time in your games desperately begging for their lives? Sounds awful.


(September 2nd, 2020, 18:26)Lewwyn Wrote: Also @Bob I would rather lynch Cyneheard, but you're making that harder... What do you think of Cyneheard's posts?


I think Cyne's posts are very similar to what I'd write for day one if compelled to produce a few more than what I already have. The idea 48 hours of joke votes, spam, and random finger pointing on day one are going to catch a wolf in the act is preposterous based on a decade of experience on this forum, and you know it. It's highly unlikely for the scum to stumble when there's zero votes to defend or night actions to gather intelligence from. What's important is determining how the inevitable bandwagon on Day 1's lynch target formed- if the victim is village, who pushed hard for it (and why), and who jumped on easy win for the scum. If the victim is scum, then who tried to save them, or bandwagoned when the victim was clearly doomed anyway for cheap village cred. Obviously also critical is reading the night action(s), particularly why certain players stood out enough to the scum to whack, though generally there won't be sufficient intel to help the village until at least a couple nights in.


Again, you know all this. Constantly pointing at random people for no little-to-no reason isn't aberrant RB Day One behavior, but it is common scum play, because it works; it puts whoever does it in the driver's seat, keeps them off the defense, gives them an enormous amount of posts which are also a pain to sort through for anyone wanting to analyze their content, and convinces villagers who have trouble tracking the game on their own that it's important to keep them around. It doesn't actually help the village much at all.
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(September 2nd, 2020, 17:53)AdrienIer Wrote: Now while SD is new and may not know the RB meta, Bob certainly should know. It may only be that he's too busy right now, but it's not like his earlier posts were amazing.

It's not the best vote but I need to sleep and will reread once or twice in the morning.

Now I'm interested in your thoughts on Cyneheard.
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Bob is in his perpetually frustrated state, as we are all dumb. He's like American Serdoa. wink

That's enough for me to go back to /Cyneheard who only gave me more reasons to want to lynch him since I voted for him yesterday.
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History:
Serdoa votes Serdoa
Adrien votes Lewwyn
Commodore votes Serdoa
ElGrillo vote naufr
pindi votes Rowain
naufr votes Pindi
Cyneheard votes scooter
GKC votes Commodore
Rowain votes Lewwyn
Gaspar votes Rowain
Lewwyn votes Serdoa
GKC switches from Commodore to Cyneheard
Scooter votes Cyneheard
Rowain switches from Lewwyn to naufr
GKC switches from Cyneheard to naufr
Serdoa switches from Serdoa to naufr
Lewwyn switches from Serdoa to naufr
Pindi switches from Rowain to GKC
Commodore switches from Serdoa to GKC
ElGrillo switches from naufr to Cyneheard
Charriu votes for GKC
Cyneheard switches from scooter to pindi
SD votes for Serdoa
Gaspar switches from Rowain to Cyneheard
SD switches from Serdoa to Rowain
Bob votes Scooter
SD switches from Rowain to GKC
Bob switches from scooter to Lewwyn
scooter switches from Cyneheard to thrawn
Pindi switches from GKC to scooter
Gaspar switches from Cyneheard to pindi
Lewwyn switches from naufr to El Grillo
El Grillo switches from Cyneheard to Commodore
CMF votes SD
Serdoa switches from naufr to SD
Rowain switches from naufr to Commodore
AdrienIer switches from Lewwyn to SD
naufr switches from pindi to Serdoa
scooter votes Commodore
Meiz votes AdrienIer
Commodore switches from GKC to Gaspar
Lewwyn switches from El Grillo to SD
Serdoa switches from SD to naufragar
Pindi switches from scooter to Lewwyn
naufragar switches from Serdoa to SD
Charriu switches from GKC to SD
Gaspar switches from pindi to Bob
Commodore switches from Gaspar to Bob
Scooter switches from Commodore to Bob
El Grillo switches from Commodore to Bob
pindicator switches from Lewwyn to Bob
Lewwyn switches from superdeath to Bob
Cyneheard switches from pindicator to superdeath
Lewwyn switches from Bob to Cyneheard
AdrienIer switches from superdeath to Bob
Lewwyn switches from Cyneheard to Bob
Gaspar swithes from Bob to Cyneheard

Tally:
Bobchillingworth (6): Commodore, scooter, El Grillo, pindicator, AdrienIer, Lewwyn
superdeath (4): Chevalier Mal Fet, naufragar, Charriu, Cyneheard
naufragar (2): GeneralKilCavalry, Serdoa
Commodore (1): Rowain
Lewwyn (1): Bob
GeneralKilCavalry (1): superdeath
AdrienIer (1): Meiz
Cyneheard (1): Gaspar

16 Hours Remain.
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