September 3rd, 2020, 10:29
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(September 3rd, 2020, 10:22)AdrienIer Wrote: (September 3rd, 2020, 10:17)pindicator Wrote: (September 3rd, 2020, 10:08)AdrienIer Wrote: Noting that Pindi started D1 asking for more content from people, and buddying up with El Grillo. Then he votes Lewwyn, then he goes back to lower content people. Then El Grillo claims he suspects me, and boom Pindi is onto me.
Could be a wolf playing reasonably well while not getting into the brawl, or (and I'm well placed to say that) a lower energy villager. He doesn't seem so low energy though...
Interesting theory. Do you have reads on people not accusing you? You're not near the top so I wouldn't think you should be feeling any pressure right now
I looked at the people who started the train on me as a first reread. You stood out more than Charriu or El Grillo. On the others, Rowain and Meiz seem townish, and I'll reread the others next
And to explain my Lewwyn thoughts, since you brought those up, I started with superwolf Lewwyn vibes - but then when he replied to a post of mine I said in this post that I expected a different reaction from wolf Lewwyn. And some other people started giving off town indications for Lewwyn and that made me come around a bit on him. Hense I asked him about Bob in this post, but again I didn't get what I thought i would get from a town Lewwyn. So my suspicions of Lewwyn and the Bob train both went up. Perhaps I just don't remember my Lewwyn reads as well as I thought I did, but I've got him back in my murky middle again. Probably a slight town lean if I'm being honest with myself.
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(September 3rd, 2020, 10:23)Lewwyn Wrote: So I think the Pindi Gaspar interaction is instructive.
-Pindi casts aspersion on Gaspar, but gets Gaspar's voting position which he called out as scummy wrong.
-Pindi realizes and apologizes.
-Later there is a choice between Gaspar and me to vote for while agreeing with comm that we seem to have a lovefest. He chooses to vote for me rather than Gaspar who already has a vote.
-I call him out as having shame for mistaking Gaspar's earlier position and being more reluctant now to vote for Gaspar.
-To me this reads very very much like a villager.
Aw, are we having a lovefest now? 
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September 3rd, 2020, 10:30
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History:
Tally:
Bobchillingworth (5): Commodore, scooter, El Grillo, superdeath, GeneralKilCavalry
Cyneheard (4): Gaspar, Meiz, Serdoa, naufragar
AdrienIer (4): pindicator, Charriu, Rowain, Lewwyn
superdeath (2): Chevalier Mal Fet, Cyneheard
Lewwyn (1): Bobchillingworth
pindicator (1): AdrienIer
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(September 3rd, 2020, 10:08)AdrienIer Wrote: Noting that Pindi started D1 asking for more content from people, and buddying up with El Grillo. Then he votes Lewwyn, then he goes back to lower content people. Then El Grillo claims he suspects me, and boom Pindi is onto me.
Could be a wolf playing reasonably well while not getting into the brawl, or (and I'm well placed to say that) a lower energy villager. He doesn't seem so low energy though...
My take on Pindicator is that his play so far has been quite gentle and jovial, giving me a feeling like he'd try to avoid antagonizing his targets to not draw too much heat back.
#99 "So I thought I had good vibes on one of you/naufrager being a wolf, but then it came out you're both new. ". Already reverting his read for the newbies. Ok this is early game.
#184 Starts to throw suspicions agaisnt Lewwyn and is quick to jump on Commodore's lewwyn-gaspar theory. But once more, retracts a bit later with "Dammit, I would have expected scum Lewwyn to jump back and attack me after voting him."
#218 And against Rowain, and once again very carefully. Once more getting a feeling of throwing out something but avoiding the heat.
#290 I find it strange that his reasoning for disliking the Bob train is related to some old game. Nothing on why his play here would point as a mislynch.
His vote on Adrien is the first real accusation I see from him. Very pinpointed agaisnt one player. I think he could be a wolf sailing nicely along the waters atm.
September 3rd, 2020, 10:31
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I'm preparing dinner right now and try to re-read AdrienIer as well as quickly as possible. A tally would be great to get.
Also: If nauf gets traction he does have my vote. Nothing to add to what Lewwyn wrote and what I wrote earlier.
September 3rd, 2020, 10:31
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(September 3rd, 2020, 10:28)Commodore Wrote: (September 3rd, 2020, 10:26)Lewwyn Wrote: (September 3rd, 2020, 10:17)naufragar Wrote: (September 3rd, 2020, 10:12)Lewwyn Wrote: Are you trying to be an opportunistic wolf nauf? Buddy to Serdoa and cast doubt on Rowain and I?
No. I said I hated saying it. Hated that I'd be giving Serdoa credit, hated that I would look to be reversing course. I read the exchange and saw that Serdoa already posted about it and backed off. I wanted to linger on it for a minute more.
Why you gotta be so scummy. Yes you "hated" doing it. That makes it feel more "genuine" and more impactful because you're stressing that you are going against your early reads. Its very good wolf rhetoric. You're just being a bit clumsy with it.
Seriously I'm torn between Adrien, Nauf and Cyne now. But you gotta save Bob, right?
Yeah, if Bob gets saved last-minute so we can lynch a villager, I'm going to have some strong day 2 thoughts about a couple people who seemed determined to save him.
September 3rd, 2020, 10:32
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Tally is there, thanks BRick.
Meiz, your blue-black is nigh unreadable on RB-green.
September 3rd, 2020, 10:34
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(September 3rd, 2020, 10:04)Meiz Wrote: Not really feeling for the Bob lynch, I think his play points more to a frustrated town. How are people feeling for voting Pindicator?
You are still voting Cyneheard.
@Lewwyn
yes nauf has so many scummy posts that it is enough to get lynched 3 games in a row.
@Commodore
Do you believe that Bob, Lewwyn & Gaspar are all 3 scum?
What conclusions do you see if Bob gets lynched and turns out as a wolf and what if he turns out as a villager?
September 3rd, 2020, 10:35
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(September 1st, 2020, 11:06)AdrienIer Wrote: It's been a while Lewwyn
(September 3rd, 2020, 10:31)scooter Wrote: (September 3rd, 2020, 10:28)Commodore Wrote: (September 3rd, 2020, 10:26)Lewwyn Wrote: (September 3rd, 2020, 10:17)naufragar Wrote: (September 3rd, 2020, 10:12)Lewwyn Wrote: Are you trying to be an opportunistic wolf nauf? Buddy to Serdoa and cast doubt on Rowain and I?
No. I said I hated saying it. Hated that I'd be giving Serdoa credit, hated that I would look to be reversing course. I read the exchange and saw that Serdoa already posted about it and backed off. I wanted to linger on it for a minute more.
Why you gotta be so scummy. Yes you "hated" doing it. That makes it feel more "genuine" and more impactful because you're stressing that you are going against your early reads. Its very good wolf rhetoric. You're just being a bit clumsy with it.
Seriously I'm torn between Adrien, Nauf and Cyne now. But you gotta save Bob, right?
Yeah, if Bob gets saved last-minute so we can lynch a villager, I'm going to have some strong day 2 thoughts about a couple people who seemed determined to save him.
Two things:
1) Who is determined to save him?
2) I think its very counter productive to try and make people afraid of voting for what they feel is best.
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September 3rd, 2020, 10:37
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Lewwyn, I don’t want to blow the you-Rowain molehill into a mountain, but honestly, I feel like venting. As far as I can tell, the RB meta is about past history and “tone,” which is completely crazy to me. My argument, although that’s even too strong a word, was this:
Rowain, after a series of questions that I thought were good and based on good reads, makes a pretty glaring misread. He does this after, as I said in my post where I voted for Cyneheard, I was hoping to see what happened to the bus on Bob. He moves away from Cyne to you, which puts Bob back in the lead.
All that is eyebrow raising, but you don’t call him out, so Serdoa and I, and maybe others, find that strange. You claim that you laugh at him instead of calling him out, but when questioned by Serdoa, you don’t call it a misread. You explain that it was a misread, but the aggression you’ve displayed this game is absent. I was surprised by Rowain, confused by you.
Nothing in the above is based on nebulous tone or past history.
You come back at me with 1) some unverifiable stories about the good old days and how you can read people that way and 2) you wonder if I’m trying to buddy up with Serdoa and swing on you and Rowain, despite me saying the exact opposite. “Yes you "hated" doing it. That makes it feel more "genuine" and more impactful because you're stressing that you are going against your early reads.” This is tone BS. I laid out what I thought was weird. You don’t like that I didn’t do it in an appropriate voice.
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